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Clay Target Sports Shooting Summit

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  1. Target13

    Target13 Active Member

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    I've read with great interest over the past few months all the postings complaining about this or that with trapshooting; the ATA; the Industry; our gun clubs and whatever else. In response to the concerns of many of you here as well as others, a Clay Target Sports Shooting Summit has been scheduled in late April in San Antonio, Texas by myself. I have invited the EC of the ATA; the EC of NSSA Skeet; the EC of NSCA Sporting; the EC of the PITA; the NRA; National Shooting Sports Foundation(NSSF); the EC of the National Association of Shooting Ranges (NASR). The purpose of this summit is to bring all clay target organizations together and begin to address common problems that effect each of us. It is the hope of many involved here that through this meeting we might find some common grounds to "work together" on issues like promoting the shooting sports; membership and it's retention; governmental and envirnomental issues; helping local gun clubs and offereing them tools to be successful; bringing all the governing bodies together to show unity and our strength in numbers plus numerous other issues and items.

    For too long, each organization has continued to go it's own way and quite frankly, it is to time to relook at each organization - it's mission statement; goals and objectives and how it functions. Each organization although it rules over a certain discipline, what each of 'us' is trying to accomplish is the same thing - get more shooters and shoot more targets. Why do we duplicate our efforts ?? Are they missing out by promoting registered shooting rather than recreational shooting or a combination of both ?? Seems to many of us that there are millions of hunters and shotgun owners out there that could care less about competition or registered shooting. What about the local gun club ?? This is where the "grassroots" of shooter development exists - why does every skeet or trapshooter need to be a registered shooter- why are we not just promoting our games thru these local gun clubs and leagues - why don't we have more emphasis on the local level ?? There is no doubt in my mind that if we begin to do some of these things, we'll not only get more shooters, but registered ones too. This notion that every shooter needs to be a competition or registered shooter is nonsense - some people do not want to shoot registered and we need to acknowledge that, by developing RECEREATIONAL shooting programs for gun clubs etc. The strength in numbers that the shooting sports could muster if we were able to do this would be incredible. For the shooting industry, what a boost this would be in terms of gun sales; ammunition sales and clay target sales (I'm selfish).

    Hence, this April meeting is an important first step. What all of you are saying is being heard believe me. Now is the time to get those that you put into positions at your respective organizations to commit to participating; listening with an "open mind" and leaving their "egos" outside our meeting room. The opportunity is here for all the clay target organizations to for the first time, sit around the same table and discuss common problems and issues and see how we can work together to "promote"; help our gun clubs and get to that vast potential group out there that wants to shoot clay targets.

    It is not going to be easy because of attitudes and possible "CHANGE". For too long all of us have resisted change in one form or another - many of us in our organizations are still doing things from the 50's and 60's - we need to recognize that change may be the only solution for the survival of our clay target games as we know them.

    All of us involved in this project have a responsibility and in talking with the others, I honestly believe changes can be made without totally "upsetting the apple cart". I am no expert, but I do know that if we are open-minded and can WORK TOGETHER on all this, it will be beneficial for everyone.

    Your continued input to your Directors and Officers of your respective organizations is welcome and wanted - tell us how you think it can be better. Don't just moan and gripe about this and that - tell us the problem and how you would suggest we improve or fix it. You folks are "our" CUSTOMERS - we need your input and involvement.

    Well, I'll get down off my soapbox. All I wanted to tell many of you was that many of us in all these organizations are listening - hence, we are attempting something different in April and wanted to let you know.


    Phil Murray
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  2. Trap2

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    Phil....

    As a clay target shooter, I appreciate your efforts on all our behalf. It will be an uphill battle, no doubt, but it can, and needs to be, done. By keeping all of us informed regarding the progress of this summit, and who does, and who does not, accept your invitation, we can get a much firmer grip on which of the organizations you have mentioned above are, indeed, supporting our cause.....Thank you for your involvement. both personally and through White Flyer Targets.......Dan Thome (Trap2)
     
  3. Target13

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    I'll have a better handle on whom is committed after my agenda goes out next week and I ask for confirmations. To date, each organization is represented, but I'll confirm the individuals later on. AS you feel, I too believe that each organization should have as many of it's EC members and Officers there as possible. A poor turnout by any organization in my opinion is a signal of how they care about it's members and our sports - this would not be a good signal. AS one shooter, I'm tired of all the talk and no action.


    Phil Murray
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  4. eagleonePA

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    Phil:
    Will You give Us an attendence sheet, and a copy of the agenda ?
    Good Luck and God Bless, Bill Ivins
     
  5. birdogs

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    Each organization is interested in Registered shooting ONLY because that is how they make their money. Like it or not that is ALL they care about. White Flyer, on the other hand doesn't care why the targets are thrown - just throw them.

    The above notwithstanding, all of these organizations are bleeding members and participants because they are not getting enough new shooters. One of the reasons is "barrier to entry". For a new shooter to walk into a club where there are large numbers of experienced shooters must be quite intimidating. Also, it takes time to learn the rules and the proper manners and if there is no one to show you, that makes it even more intimidating. In most cases, if a new shooter is not brought into the sport by someone he knows, he is a very brave fellow indeed.
     
  6. txnlegacy

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    Was USA Shooting contacted?
     
  7. txnlegacy

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    What about 4h and SCTP?
     
  8. Target13

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    USA Shooting - 4H Shooting Sports will be invited. There should be representation for all the clay target venues.

    As time permits, I will list later those groups and individuals attending.



    Phil Murray
     
  9. ThorsDad

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    Phil, Thank you for taking this on. Birddog is correct that most of these groups are entrenched in the past, mainly registered shooting. I teach hunter safety classes and the feedback we get is the time and cost of shooting is a no go for new registered shoot. They want more fun shoots at a low cost-shooting for fun in a timely manner. I hope you can pull this off, it just seems sad to hear trapshooters talk about skeetshooters, skeetshooters talk about trapshooters, both group blast sportingclay shooters, and who knows who hates the bunker shooters. But do not forget there are lots of bird shooters that could be brought into this who feel snubbed by clay shooters. Phil, if a copy of the minutes of those meetings could be posted on this site it might keep each group working towards a central goal instead of grandstanding for their own turf. Good Luck Jay
     
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