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Civillian miitary training and arms...

Discussion in 'Off Topic Threads' started by noknock1, Mar 20, 2013.

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  1. noknock1

    noknock1 Active Member

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    Right, wrong, or indifferent, law enforcement will and should train in a military fashion, mash the link and see the kind of training various militia groups are actively participating in... is this wrong? No, should we have militia? Absolutely! However, there are always a few bad apples that go rouge, and no law enforcement officer should end up dead with a widow(er) and children minus a parent because of a criminal.

    Go ahead and go to youtube, paste in HUTAREE and watch some of their videos. Visit some skinhead sites and neo-nazi sites and see the weapons that they train with... these are just examples of the over 1000 thousand such organizations inside the U.S.

    Some of these organizations are racist and wrong, some are anti-government and are ready to take back the country if it strays from the Constitution...

    Regardless, the point is that law enforcement still has to deal with some of these bad apples who are HIGHLY TRAINED AND ARMED WITH SEMI-AUTO OR select fire, military style rifles!

    Then watch this video...

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    Regardless, what if one percent of say there are only 1000 militia members in this country to keep the math easy... (There are actually tens of thousands...) one percent are a criminal of some sort. 10 guys for this example have this kind of training, no reasonable citizen on this site would expect a law enforcement officer to effect an arrest on this type person and not be armed at least with a rifle. NO reasonable person on this site would expect law enforcement to not drive up on site in an armored vehicle if one was available to try and talk the guy out of the house.

    If the guy decided to fire, well it was on an armored vehicle...

    Mash the above link and then tell the parents of U.S. MARINE Jake Laird that you still think that JAKE should not have had access to an armored vehicle and a M-4 or M1A when rolling up on scene of a madman who possessed semi-automatic AK or as in some other posts on this site we will call a WEAPON OF WAR.

    Law enforcement should and at least match when it comes to firearms and tactics what that of the civilian populace possesses and trains for/with...


    Unless one is a SH!!Head then this is not even a concern, it is actually a comfort, because if you actually start reaching these right wing organizations one will quickly find that they are not tolerant of anyone who is not white or of mixed blood, or Jews, Catholics, etc., who do not follow their belief from the King James bible, etc. Chances are that you and your family members are the enemy of these groups! Bottom line, law enforcement is going to match if not exceed what civilian populace possesses.

    Just a mere observation.

    No need to respond if you do not bother to watch the videos and research skinheads, neo-nazi, klan, sovereign citizens, etc... these guys are in every state.
     
  2. philk

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    Radical left wing loonies bother me a lot more, just sayin.
     
  3. noknock1

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    Changed links so that one does not have to sign in to prove age... These are the dumbed down videos. Well trained fellows!!!
     
  4. alf174

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    So militarize the police? That may play right into O'bumma's plan. Why not just bring in the military and deputize them as police? What would be the difference? just askin'
     
  5. noknock1

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    This is where the right wing extremist wackos on this site use terms to further their own agenda. What does militarize really mean? Tactics? NO, plenty of hate groups, communist groups, socialist groups, radical Christian groups, etc., as one can easily find on youtube are very well organized and trained and employ 'military tactics' as can be viewed on you tube.

    Are they individual small military units? Possibly?

    The term 'militarize' is the equivalent of the term 'assault rifle.' It is a relative term!

    One watches the videos on youtube and various websites and sees military tactics and high speed low drag gear being shown off. Just like law enforcement, there are some bad apples and when these bad apples are exposed and need to go to jail, someone needs to be able to overwhelmingly take them down to prevent the least amount of risk to all human life.

    A very tiny minority on this site hate or at least despise law enforcement and claim that any military type tactics and equipment to include heavily armored personnel carriers is unwarranted.

    As long as the civilian populace possess rifles that are capable of piercing normal vehicles then law enforcement needs vehicles that can be parked in front of a deranged criminal's house without the officers inside being slaughtered by 7.62 X 63 or 50 cal rounds, etc...

    It is absurd to think that law enforcement should not have a vehicle that will withstand small arms fire available to the general populace which means criminal, crazy, deranged, civilians as they are they only ones that law enforcement engages with these HEAVILY ARMORED VEHICLES.

    Still no instances of this country being a police state in that the police go to a house, kick the door without warrant, throw the residents in jail because they did not vote Republican and also because they own guns. Still no instance where U.S. Citizens on U.S. soil are rounded up and thrown in FEMA 'reeducation camps, water boarded, beaten, tortured, etc...

    It seems that the paranoia amongst a very few fringe group on this site is growing exponentially everyday.

    As far as just using the military, well there is the Posse Comitatus Act that prevents the military from acting as peace officers. The national guard can act as law enforcement if ordered by the governor of the state in particular instances, but that isn't practical.

    And as much as many of us politely disagree on various topics on this forum, I will venture that everyone is against the White House deputizing active military troops to enforce local ordinances, state, and federal laws.
     
  6. alf174

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    I don't endorse any of the questions I posed. Paranoid? That's like the pot calling the kettle black. I recommend laying off youtube for a while; everything in moderation.
     
  7. Jerbear

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    Won't do much good.... Even the cops can't get ammo now.

    http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/03/22/okla-police-chief-ammo-shortage-so-bad-some-departments-are-cutting-amount-of-bullets-in-guns-even-bartering/

    Okla. Police Chief: Ammo Shortage So Bad Some Departments Are Cutting Amount of Bullets in Guns, Even Bartering

    Ever since gun control discussions began in such earnest after the tragedy in Newtown, Conn., firearms and ammunition have been flying off the shelves. Store owners have said they can’t restock fast enough and demand has driven up the prices. But what about those who need ammo for the jobs and have budgets that have remained stagnant or even declined, like law enforcement?

    An Oklahoma police department is saying it is taking donations and coming up with other innovative ways to get their hands on necessary supplies that it can’t seem to afford or that it cannot find in stock at this time.

    KJRH reported Jenks Police Department Chief Cameron Arthur saying some departments are bartering for supplies and even cutting down on the number of bullets loaded in firearms to stretch stocks.

    “Most police departments are having a very difficult time even getting the necessary ammunition for handguns, shotguns and especially rifles,” Arthur said. “With the delay in ammunition, some departments are limiting the number of rounds they carry in their handgun because of the shortage of ammunition. We get to the point where it is difficult to have enough ammo to train and also equip the officers.”

    Arthur also said the department received a $3,000 donation from the community for supplies and has had some donations of goods from the U.S. military.

    Overall, Arthur expressed his primary objective to KJRH, which is to make sure officers and citizens are kept safe.

    “Statistics would show that about one out of every five officers that are killed are killed with an assault-type rifle. We are being out-armed and out-manned in regard to these type of weapons day in and day out. So it is critical that we have access to superior fire power,” Arthur said.

    But this Oklahoma department is by no means the only one rethinking its operations due to an ammo shortage. Police departments in South Carolina and Georgia have expressed how difficult it has been to get their hands on a timely supply of ammunition. The same holds true for departments in Tennessee, Indiana and Michigan who are also waiting for backordered supplies.

    Read and watch more at the link above.

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  8. halfmile

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    Radical Christians? (just about the ultimate oxymoron)

    Better explain yourself, wise guy. I don't think you know a Christian from a Hottentot.

    Nothing sucks like a spouting know it all.

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  9. noknock1

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    Explain what specifically?
     
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