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Chokes for 16 yard?

Discussion in 'Uncategorized Threads' started by Questor, Dec 13, 2007.

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  1. Questor

    Questor TS Member

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    Now that I understand that most targets are shot at under 35 yards for 16 yard trap, it seems I should be using a more open choke than the Improved Modified my gun came with. What choke should I be using?
     
  2. Neil Winston

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    The improved modified your gun came with unless it's an original Browning Invector, in which case you will have to replace it with an aftermarket improved modified of any make.

    Neil
     
  3. timb99

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    What Neil said.
     
  4. Hipshot 3

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    Your gun came with the RIGHT choke! Problem is, it may NOT really be an Improved Modified! Have it checked!
     
  5. Trap2

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    Questor....Mike, above, is right on the money. You would do well to heed his statements. I shoot a .034" choke for singles and handicap and it works great. My doubles gun is choked .020" and .032". I prefer to get all the choke I can get to smoke the targets from anywhere on the pad.... Just my experience.....Dan Thome (Trap2)
     
  6. Questor

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    Yeah, you're probably right. I'll take up the topic with my coach at the patterning board and see what he says. Thanks!
     
  7. newark sportsman

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    .25 for 16-27 yrd. singles


    .15 for first shot and.25 for second on doubles.

    Thats all you`ll ever need.
     
  8. timb99

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    Questor

    If there was any quuestion as to the quality of the advice you're getting:

    Neil Winston - Current singles average 97.25
     
  9. code5coupe

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    The best choke depends on too many unknown factors to make any sort of accurate recommendation here.
    You CAN use anything from Light Modified to Extra Full, depending.

    You'll have to figure out which is best for yourself. The only thing you'll get from this forum is our own personal preferences, and they vary from person to person.
     
  10. showdawg

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    My best averages came with Briley extended full choke in invector plus barrel. I shot singles & caps whole season with one choke, made me a better shooter, I felt handicapped after that with anything less than full. ran 100 in caps at Bama State Shoot with Full Choke BT 99. I think that if you concentrate on aiming your shot-gun instead of pointing it & use full choke on everything you will better your self. my .02 worth

    Showdawg
     
  11. Chango2

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    My 2 Cents: It is not only the choke that determines the pattern, but the formula for the load...type of powder, primer, wad, quality of shot, etc. As a rule of thumb, faster burning powders give less dense patterns and vice versa.
     
  12. zzt

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    Questor, I'm going to add to some of the advice you got here. Throw your Browning chokes away. Don't bother to shoot all of the to see if they hit the same spot, or pattern well, or evenly. They suck. You are never going to need more than two chokes, three if you shoot doubles and become adept at it. So it won't cost much to replace your Browning chokes.

    If you stick with Briley or Wrights or a few other highly regarded chokes, you'll get chokes that all shoot to the same POI and pattern well. You'll save yourself a lot of grief.

    The first one to buy is an IM. Somewhere around .024/.025 constriction. That will put about 85+% of the pellets in a 30" circle at singles ranges. That's what you want. Plus it will work well for handicap at least back to the 22.

    Once you hit the 23 you'll probably want to go with a F .034/.035. For the first shot at doubles, a LM .015/.016 if you are fast, or a M .020 if not.

    So that gives you LM and IM for doubles if you are quick with both shots, IM for singles and short yardage handicap, and F for long yardage handicap.

    If you are slower than quick on doubles, use M and IM or F.

    When in doubt, use more choke, not less. However, bear in mind that some of the people recommending Full chokes for singles are very, very good shots. That means they point well, and their pointing margin for error is quite small. So a really tight pattern is not the drawback for them as it will be for someone less proficient. A good IM choke with good shell will generate smoke on any singles shot, and still give you a little more margin for error. Not much more, but even an inch or two is a help if you are not AA.
     
  13. timb99

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    Chango2

    I tend to agree with your first sentence, but you also said,

    "As a rule of thumb, faster burning powders give less dense patterns and vice versa."

    I have never heard this. Have you tested this theory by patterning, or is this just what you think is going on?
     
  14. pdq

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    Earlier this year I bought a Silver Seitz and sent the barrel to Tom Wilkinson to be fitted with choke tubes. He recommends .020 for the 16 yard line and then tighter as you move back, using a .035 from the 27 yard line.

    I practice with the .035 from the 16 yard line, but compete with the .020.

    I look at the gun as a tool, and if you were to look in my garage you'd find different sized hammers, screwdrivers, etc. Pick the best one for the job at hand. I know that a lot of people pride themselves on inkballing shots with a full choke gun from the 16, but when shooting registered targets I've never heard of anyone getting bonus points for their inkballs.

    Just the opinion of one guys who's trying to get better.

    Oete
     
  15. timb99

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    Inkballs don't count extra.

    But, you'll have a heckuva time convincing anyone who has actually patterned to any conclusive degree, that a more open choke gives you a bigger pattern or enough pattern density along the fringes that will get you even one target out of 100 that a tighter choke wouldn't have.

    And given that virtually all the good shooters, to a man (or woman) shoot with tight chokes, that's proof enough for me.
     
  16. Trap2

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    I look at it like this: In 2002 and 2003, I averaged 97% shooting 3000 singles each year, shooting a 90T with a .036" choke. I switched to a MX-15, with choke tubes, in 2004. Shot it with the .020" or the .025" tube in it for singles in 2004 and 2005. My average for both those years dropped to .95% shooting 3000 targets each year. Switched to a DB-81 with a fixed .034" choke in 2006. My average is back up to 97% for those 2 seasons shooting 3000 targets each year. My target breaks are now much harder and better with the full choke than they ever were with the more open chokes. That's the only type of results that matter to me. If I shoot better scores with the tighter chokes, those are the ones I'm going to use..... Just my experience....Dan Thome (Trap2)
     
  17. chatbrat

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    I'm a relatively new shooter, when I first started I shot a Mod. choke, all I cared about was winning little league shoots & not becoming a better shooter. I even went to a LM choke, lots of chips but had no idea what I was doing--Six months ago went to IM & LF, my scores have gone up dramatically as Neil & Dan said-either its smoke or zilch--won a club championship & have won several events since going tighter-as my Jewish grand mother said try it couldn't hurt---Phil
     
  18. Trap2

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    Hoosier......Shooting your first shot in doubles with a more open choke is sometimes desireable due to the fact that you know, EXACTLY, where that first target is going to be so you set up for that shot and you shoot it much faster and right out of the house letting your pattern do its job. An open choke has its place if used in the correct application. Remember, the more open a choke is, the faster the pattern dissapates and goes to heck. When shooting regular singles, you don't take any of your singles targets that quickly. Your singles target is more than likely taken 5-8 yards farther out than your first doubles target is, or more. The second target is another story, however. That's why I shoot a .032" for that second shot. I want as much of my pattern density on that target when I take the shot as I can get......Dan
     
  19. shannon391

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    Don't listen to the choke salesman, shoot a tight choke. My 3200 is fixed .40 over.40 .Improved to full will do it all.
    Leo Harrison says any choke is fine as long as it's full.

    Shannon Mayes
     
  20. timb99

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    Dan...could be that the MX-15 just didn't fit you as well as the other two...but who's quibbling? I agree with you on the choke issue.

    BTW, guys, take my advice for what its worth.

    My average over 2005, 2006, and 2007 is just above 95% in singles, so I'm no Neil Winston.
     
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