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Cho Seung-Hui? Should we be...?

Discussion in 'Uncategorized Threads' started by Big Al 29, Apr 18, 2007.

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  1. Big Al 29

    Big Al 29 TS Member

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    Airing his manifesto out to the public? To me, with the wackos, loners, and other sick individuals it seems like it will instigate others to do as he did.

    Its almost like people are seeing the publicity and attention Cho is receiving and listening to his reasoning and may just do something similar.

    Remember Columbine then the 5-6 other school shootings in the months afterward when the TV and radio was inundated with stories, pictures and videos of the kids who murdered students and teachers.

    Information is great but to confused or demented individuals it may just be the trigger.

    I watched the TV tonight and they pretty much aired his entire video where he laid out why he did what he did and, I AM PARAPHRASING HERE, to go out and do the same.

    Seems pretty poor judgement on the TV stations' part.

    What do you all think?

    The video is pretty scary. This guy had a plan, pictures, script, etc...
     
  2. foghorn220

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    There was a high school shooting not to far from me in Dec 1997 the 14 year old killed 3 and wonded others at the Heath High school in KY.

    The link above will tell of a lot of the school shooting I didn't know it was so many and it starts in 1979.

    Below is the opening story of the link above.




    In the late 1990s, it seemed like an epidemic had hit American schools: Children were acquiring guns and bombs, and then going to school to kill teachers and classmates. Various cultural influences were targeted for blame, such as Stephen King’s novel, Rage, a film, The Basketball Diaries, and the Pearl Jam video, “Jeremy.” Violent videogames also entered the discussions, as did the influences of cults like Satanism. Yet a look back reveals some of the earlier incidents as well. The following is a timeline of school violence that grabbed national attention:
     
  3. CalvinMD

    CalvinMD Well-Known Member

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    Its a catch 22 Big Al...people who are all too ready to blame the gun again need to see..and I mean really SEE how f-d up this kid was and how the system had plenty of warning and was a dismal failure way before he showed up with a firearm in his hands on the schools doorstep...if he would have spouted his crap at an airport, what do you think his chances of boarding a plane would have been???...they need to take these rubber room cases and lock them away and fast...no matter if they are entering a school campus, a restaurant, a mall..or an airplane!!!...I hope somebody in power gets the big picture
     
  4. SShooterZ

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    Big Al 29 you bring up a valid concern. I too was thinking the same thing that they were giving way too much air time to this nutbag.

    I almost think he is TOO crazy to inspire copycats but who knows...

    Say your prayers and keep your fingers crossed that this never, ever, happens again.
     
  5. Brian in Oregon

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    Just finished watching the 50th Anniversary rerelease of "The Ten Commandments".<br>
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    I think the Pharaoh had the right idea. To paraphrase:<br>
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    "Let the name Cho Seung-Hui be stricken from every newspaper."<br>
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    "Let the name Cho Seung-Hui be sricken from every TV news report."<br>
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    "Let the name Cho Seung-Hui be stricken from every talk show."<br>
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    "Let the name Cho Seung-Hui be unspoken and unheard for all time"<br>
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    Why give these mass murdering cretins immortality by mentioning their names ever again? Just refer to them as the "Columbine killers" and the "Virginia Tech shooter", not by name.
     
  6. CalvinMD

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    Thats why I said its a catch 22 Wireguy...giving big brother the power to say who is and isn't competant is scary...I'm open to suggestions..how would you handle an openly flagrant head case capable and even bent on murder, without giving up more personal freedom..I don't know either..but to me this kids history should have set off some kind of alarms way before it go to this point. JMHO
     
  7. halfmile

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    If we did not already live in a VERY restrictive society, this would not have happened.

    The mall shooting in Utah would have been a lot worse if not for a private citizen with a gun.

    Luby's Cafeteria would not have had the high death toll, if the lady would have had her weapon inside.

    A recent school shooting incident was terminated by another private citizen with a gun.

    The idea that Society, somehow is supposed to handle these situations is way too liberal for me. It can only portend higher degrees of official presence and ervermore loss of personal freedom.

    In an Ideal society, someone would have whacked that nutcase before he got the 3rd victim in that room.

    Kudos to the 76 year old Holocaust survivor who did what he could, even without a weapon of any kind.

    HM
     
  8. Bvr Tail

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    wireguy,

    I don't think the government should have the self-appointed power to regulate what an individual does, but in this case, he gave the local campus officials, and possibly the police just cause to investigate, and possibly detain him. If I heard the news correctly, back in 2005 he made threats and was stalking young women. Should he have been arrested, I don't know, but remember what we say about hindsight being 20/20!!

    I don't want a bigger government, but as soon as any incident happens, there is an outcry for government intervention.

    I once told someone I didn't believe that career politicians had an a**hole, rather, it was just an opening where their handlers inserted their hand and arm to run their mouths like a puppet!!!

    Just my thoughts

    Danny
     
  9. j2jake

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    It is my understanding the admin folks knew this guy was a big problem. Instead of taking the hard approach they (the admin folks) took the path of appeasement. When will we learn that appeasement only serves those who are determined to cause us harm? The same with their restrictive gun laws. This is a case where the more restrictive rules served only the criminal. My prayers go to the families of the victims. And I strongly agree that this nut case is given was too much publiticity. His profile should be put out to the masses with the warning that if you know someone like this report them! Don't wait and become a victim. There was once a time when you were held accountable for you words and actions. Time to roll the clock back a little. JMHO. Jake
     
  10. Bvr Tail

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    alf,

    I wasn't being a smarta**, please don't take it that way. I can't expect you to be at every incident with your trusty 45s' strapped on to save poor "Nell".

    Maybe, just maybe "Barney" could have spit out that donut, put in his bullet, and done something earlier. Read into this statement what you wish. How many people are in therapy for thinking lesser thoughts, or committing lesser deeds?

    I don't have the answers, but don't call for our government to solve something that might have been preventable!

    Hindsight!?!

    Again, just my thoughts

    Danny
     
  11. ANTRIM UDF

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    I can remember Pitt in the sixties, a good number of off beat characters. They seemed withdrawn, depressed. Some suicidal, with the VN war going on they seemed pretty normal. I don`t remember much happening except one fella sat in the middle of the hi way and proclaimed it was his right to die, he was escorted to the Psyche ward and was never heard from again. The children/students in our area our very quickly labeled as something other than normal in our school system, Later tho they can challenge any disciplinary action toward them as un-something as they are "special". One incident of note had a wrestling coach boot a kid off the team for repeated behavior issues, he grieved it as he had some ODD and was under treatment and was back to the team in two weeks. The coach stuck it out the rest of the year, then resigned. He had turned the program around from 1-22 to 21-3. The real world and the world of acedemia. We have more good/great teachers and coaches who refuse to be involved with the kids anymore; which means the chaff is guiding our youth. This Cho fella was easy to identify and treat. Va Tech admin dropped the bowling ball. Hopefully airing the videos etc of this person will help identify and prevent the next potential killer. Sorry my PC doesn`t want to create paragraphs, hence the apparent rambling.// One other note, this time of yr: Hitler`s b`day, Waco, Okla city bombing, Columbine etc all happen around April 18. A little heads up for the future.
     
  12. bcnu

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    Well, if you had a "national registry" for folks that did not need to be having guns, how long do you think before the anti's would start putting everyone on it?

    It is not even as simple as no body being armed in the school. There were chairs, book bags, computer towers, pens, surely a few pocket knives, and the most dangerous weapon on earth, the people themselves. Yes, he would have shot at least a few of the ones rushing him but no way could he shoot say 15 people rushing him at once.

    As a side note, one of the FBI people on the second day of this said on TV that he wished that the media would stop calling it a record breaking shooting because that will just make the next nutccase want to kill even more. And we all know that there will be a next time.

    John
     
  13. hawk57

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    I have two thoughts. Why doesn't anyone offer training to the public for these type of situations? I would think an expert in the field would develope a course for the adverage civilian and take the idea nation wide. Train people in the mind set of the situation and possible actions to neutralize the assailant (if you are gun-less) or to escape. My second thought (and don't kill me for this) In our state (Pennsylvania)when purchasing a handgun you must pass a criminal history check. My thought would be to include Mental illness check. So, say if you were ever deamed "a danger to yourself or others" it would be recorded in a national database that would be searched when buying a handgun. Right now, in PA it's only a yes or no question on the application. Again, don't kill me for the second idea :)

    Hawk,
     
  14. bigbore613

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    Theres the guy who got let out of an assylum, whenever someone asked if he was sane he produced a card to that effect and said ,"I have this card to prove I am sane ,what do you have" ? JP
     
  15. BIGDON

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    Just remember most police don't prevent the crime from happening, they are called after the fact. Try reporting that someone is going to kill you and see what they do. Happens all the time in domestic cases- nothing happens because there is no crime until someone shoots, stabs, hits or kicks someone. Then is to late for the victim. All it would have taken was for the box to be checked "danger to others" and he would have been hospitalized which, would have been on scumbags record.

    Thank the "Goody two shoes" of the world who got legislation passed that the mentally ill should be put in the "main stream" and treated there. Saved states millions, shut down state mental hospitals. Question - who sees that the little darlings take their Meds daily????? Used to be that 2 or more people could petition someone in for mental assesment/treatment if they were a danger to themselves or others. Try it now and get sued by the sick one.

    Cho is a classic example of "he is not my problem" when reported to various authorities. I hope all don't sleep at night thinking "what if I had done something". If a gun hadn't been available this sick one would have used something else.

    God help us all from those around us.

    Don
     
  16. W.P.T.

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    The Governor of Arizona signed a bill (the day this happened) that allows the guards at the Colleges to be armed in the wake of what happened ... Hope this catches on at all of the Colleges across the country so they have instant response to anything that needs it and can shoot back ... WPT ... (YAC) ...
     
  17. Bawana

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    I only read the opening post. I have always said that the media should air something say about a few days then shut the hell up. But to repeat it for years to come will only bring out the copy cats. I have always felt that the media is the cause of alot of these shootings.
     
  18. SShooterZ

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    Wow, nice to hear about the Governer of Arizona.

    Here in IL, the asshats are ranting and raving up a storm about gun control.

    Daley was on the day of the shooting saying there were too many guns in society and he was going to do everything he could to get them off the streets.

    OK dufass, go for it!

    In the mean time, Chicago has some of the highest violent crimes in the nation.

    Hmm.....
     
  19. Bvr Tail

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    After seeing his taped rantings, I suppose he could have just printed off a recipe for a bomb from the internet, and blown up even more people and structures. Happens every day in Iraq.

    No guns needed.

    In Indianapolis, the Mayor is trying to fight the rising crime rate with everyday citizens. After a second young girl was abducted and raped, he has asked for older, possibly retired people to man the bus stops, and playgrounds of Indy, to prevent crime.

    Of course, they won't be allowed to defend themselves or the children, by carrying firearms, so I guess they can use their canes and walkers???

    Just my thoughts

    Danny
     
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