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Child-Gets Expelled for Toy Gun, year 2

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  1. mrskeet410

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    link above
     
  2. Jim101

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    Just goes to show there is some absolute freaking morons running public schools. Why the citizens tolerate such bull crap is beyond me.



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  3. g7777777

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    Jim I see it differently

    I see it as the parents fault

    regards from Iowa

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    As mentioned in another thread, the best thing that could happen in this country would be to get the government completely out of education. Our schools are complete failures in every way.
     
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    highflyer - you are way off the mark

    The best thing in the country would be for parents to take responsibility for their childrens behavorial problems and poor academic performance. The parents are supposed to raise the kids= not the schoolteachers
     
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    I know That most of you don't care what I have to say but I will say it anyway the "Toy gun" that is picture in the video is not a toy.

    A BB gun whether it is metal BB's or Soft BB's is consider a weapon a BB Gun is designated as such by the orange end to the barrel. The gun in the video is a BB gun and capable of inflicting harm on anyone shot with it.

    The person that should be being punished is who ever bought the BB gun an 8 year can't purchase a BB gun in any state that I know of.

    At the link posted above look for "Airsoft Guns - Laws and Regulations" You will see a explanation about the blaze orange end on the Gun

    Bob Lawless

    PS Gene please explain how expelling a student for 2 years will help his/her poor academic performance!!!!!!!!
     
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    I have a daughter that is teaching in a public urban elementary school. I am urging her to get out. With modern political correctness it is an impossible job. If parents were responsible for their own children they would get a better education without the left-wing political indoctrination that comes with the current public system. They would come out smarter and better behaved. And what would happen to the children of parents who don't care, I don't care. Those kids drop out anyway. Some urban schools have a 50 percent drop out rate now. The government should have never been given control of our children's education.
     
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    Ok lawless - it will teach that rules are made to be followed but more importantly- it was the parents that should have been expelled for allowing this but they dont get expelled do they?

    regards from Iowa

    Gene

    PS- Lawless- good point about the bb gun-
     
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    "The school board said they would admit Samuel into a correctional school for problem children..."

    If I remember right, Saddam, Castro, Islam controlled country's and other like minded countrys, Don't these have the same schools? I think they were called "re-education schools" in their regime's.

    I had a nephew supended for a week because he "drew" a picture of a gun! Zero tolerance is just a excuse not to "teach" in a PC class room.

    I always see and hear hollywood/politican elitest talking about the "Arts" being ignored. Dual standards as usual!!
     
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    timberfaller

    "I had a nephew supended for a week because he "drew" a picture of a gun!"

    Well the gun that is in question isn't a toy and it isn't a picture it is a BB Gun. It may be what is classified as an "Soft Air" BB gun. A projectile fired from that gun can put out an Eye. It can also if it strikes in the wrong place kill.

    I agree about zero tolerance for pictures and toy gun and pointing a finger like a gun. This one however goes farther than just zero tolerance.

    As far as I am concerned the parents can't be expelled but they can be jailed and if any parent give their child a gun. With out supervision that is capable of inflecting harm on others the parent should be considered at the very least contributing to the delinquency of a minor. You my not like that but that is my opinion.

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    So, if a drug dealer show'es love to(your) childern thats OK? USER1
     
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    They don't teach in schools anymore. They can't. They are not allowed to discipline children and the drugs they give them to control them don't work sometimes only exacerbating the problem. Most of you wouldn't last 10 minutes in one of today's classrooms. The stories I hear are unbelievable. The left has destroyed our public schools.
     
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    I Graduated in 1970, a lot of us had gun racks in our pickup trucks in the school parking lot. On many an occasion I had a 12 guage and a 22 auto in the rack in the rear window, nobody thought sh*t about it. I can remember showing the guns to several of my teachers and they in turn showed me the guns they had, no big deal. Plus not having a pocket knive was unheard of.

    Use to hunt after school on way home anything from quail, to armadillos. At that time I had access to over 100,000 acres collectivley among several land owners that I had known through my Dad and Mom. That is where I learned to leave a gate like you found it and respecfully said yes sir to the owners that said, laughing, don't shoot my cows or leave any gates open that you open and go through and we will get along fine.

    Yeah, I didn't know what I had, sure miss those days.

    The schools system has lost all common sense because the laws do not allow for it. The more the Feds are in our schools the worse it will get. Along with the Moms and Dads that don't give f all about their kids education, just a place to get rid of them for a day at the time, sad but so true.

    If you can afford it send your kids or grandkids to private schools or they will become zombies to the state.
     
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    Highflyer you are so confused

    Parents are supposed to discipline the kids- if you cant do that dont have any- and dont expect teachers to do that for you

    regards from Iowa

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    So Bob,

    I graduated in 1973, most of us "kids" brought guns to school, left them in the cars/pickup, so they were handy when school was out. It was quicker that way to get to our favoite hunting spots before it was to late to shoot.

    There was never a problem with the school dist. What has gone wrong since then?

    As for my story of my nephew, its was to point out how ridiculous "zero" tolarance has become.

    A few weeks back, there was a thread about, how come attendance has fallen in trapshooting. DUH! you can't hardly even say the word gun in our schools now days, When the people who see your kids(more time then parents give) their first 18 years of their life preach the "evils" of firearms! what did we expect would happen!

    A gerneration that would love the shooting sports? Riiiiiiiiiiight!
     
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    Lawless actually the US Army bans airsoft guns from military installation.

    regards from Iowa

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    timberfaller so what is your point. I graduated from high school in 67 we were allowed to leave a gun in a gun rack at school or any where else for that matter.

    It is against the law to leave a firearm unattended in a motor vehicle in this state and it was long before gun control.

    BTW a gun in the gun rack of a pickup isn't a handgun and it isn't in a closed backpac in the school. There also wasn't any drive by shooting and gang murders over drugs and what ever else is happening today.

    So again I ask what is your point??? We are talking about zero tolerance yet I don't feel that a gun that if used wrong has the potential to do bodily harm or kill. Again that gun is not a toy it has the capability of killing.

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    My point is, you can't "teach" under "zero" tolarance practices, period

    As for that "handgun" he took to school, I have a RC tank at home that shoots soft air pellets that will hit harder then that "toy" handgun.

    There are NO two people(kids)alike in this world, and I hope you know that there are kids who like firearms, cowboys and indians, cops and robbers. I would rather have kids in my classroom like that, then kids who are into tattoos, piercings and if they are at home, all the do is sit in front of a computer doing who knows what.

    The school system has taken away discipline from the parents and all they do is enforce brainwashing on issues dear to them.(anti-gun)

    Go back and watch that video, that is a "Air Soft" copy of a 1911, clear plastic with a hunter orange(red) muzzle. IN other words a "toy"

    If I was that kid, and I got that for my birthday or Christmas, I would be beating feet to show all my friends, back in my day anyway. It would have been my "show and tell" in my class.

    No drive bys when I was in school, but the local bars were another story, but what was I suppose to expect for "adults" back then. Drugs, they were there, my dad taught me better. Killing, no, but a friend of mine went hunting instead of coming to school one day, he came back in about 10 day, pulled his "loaded" shotgun out of his car by the muzzle and got the whole load of shot up his arm.

    My take on gangs, they are there because they are not dealt with. They are doing what User1 said "Children need all the love and caring they can get, from anywhere they can get it." ANYWHERE WHY be in a gang? Acceptance.
     
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    Teachers need permission to bust their butts as often as necessary to get order in the classroom. The worst kids in today's schools have parents that don't give a crap. My daughter calls the parents. Their response, I can't handle them either. You have no idea how bad some of these urban schools are. There is very little learning going on. A problem that would have been taken care of in one day when I was in school will persist all year to the detriment of the rest of the class. They should remove the worst offenders and send them to a special military type school where punishment is swift and severe and compliance isn't optional. Instead they let the little delinquents ruin the class for everyone until the age they drop out and become a permanent burden to the rest of society. If they were taught discipline in elementary school you wouldn't have any problems with them by the time they were in high school. Stupid libs have ruined public education. Libs ruin everything they touch.
     
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    Your words are your words, I just think that your comment about "anywhere they can get it" is kinda surprising to me. Yes the need all the love they can get, but not from just anywhere.

    Love with out disipline is phoney love to say the least. I agree with your last point, "If more good people would help bad children..." To many people won't get off their dead butts to help the troubled kids, mainly because the present mess we have created. NOW, if you try and help, these kids know that if they make any accusation, true or false, they will be beleived by any CPS worker. And YOUR butt will be in a sling!

    No loving adult is going to put themselves in that predicament. Not Today.

    Just in case you didn't know, I, as a volunteer for the STATE, am told and required to report any kid who comes into my class with just a bruise on him/her, no questions ask! Thats socialism at its best!!

    When the "Good" people start getting rid of these crazy people in charge, these types of things will get fixed.
     
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