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Canadians: Is this true? Socialized Healthcare.

Discussion in 'Off Topic Threads' started by stokinpls, Jul 14, 2009.

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  1. stokinpls

    stokinpls Well-Known Member

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    Let's "hope" not, for America's sake anyway, otherwise, we need a "change".
     
  2. Beretta687EELL

    Beretta687EELL Well-Known Member

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    Some of it is true and some of it is false.

    Wait times at hospitals are sometimes as indicated. Part of the problem is the fact that Doctors are in short supply. If you don't have a family Doctor, you end up in the hospital waiting room circus. Some of the Doctors that we taxpayers in Canada help pay for their training run down to the USA for the big bucks. Some nurses also get trained here and go to the USA. Another issue that creates a lot of problems is that many people up here take kids and themselves to the Doctor for every ache, pain and sniffle for free.

    True emergencies are handled very quickly. Possible heart attacks, no wait, they bump in ahead of the sore wrists, etc. My Grandson has a nut allergy and went to the hospital, no wait, he was treated in minutes.

    I don't know any of any of the millions of horror stories. The system is expensive and over burdened with administration and bureaucracy. We / I pay a lot of tax to fund the system. There is some movement toward limited privatization, but very limited. Taxes are taxed here, correct.

    Some consumer goods are more expensive, some are not. Our dollar is worth less than a US dollar. I just bought some US money and paid just over $1.16 CDN for $1.00 US. So for one comparison a flat of Challenger shells is $59.00 CDN plus 13% tax = $66.67. A flat of Winchester Super Target shells at Jaqua's is $62.50 (I don't know if there is any Ohio state tax) which in CDN $$ = approximately $72.50, so not everything is more expensive here. Subway has dropped their prices significantly in the last little while.

    Fuel here has always been much more expensive than in the USA. That has always been the cash cow for our governments. A lot of the statements are misleading, especially, at the end.

    Bottom line here in Canada is that we pay a lot of tax to support our system. Is it perfect? No, not by a long shot. Ask any Canadian if they want to trade what we have for a private system ... even the rich folks say no way. They know that the insurance premiums would be way more than what they are paying in taxes now. Bill Malcolm
     
  3. BT-100dc

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    Wow, don't we want the same system here in the U.S.? Reform is not deform, but if the Dems leadership have their way, it will certainly end up as deform. BT-100dc
     
  4. crusha

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    Well, Spiffy! Let's send Canada all our Mexicans and "other assorted peoples," then see how well their system works after the "influx." (cf. California Budget Crisis).
     
  5. miketmx

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    I watched the first 4 minutes of the 20 minute video that is all the time I was willing to spend. A couple of my own personal observations:

    1) If you are in Canada and have a real emergency like a heart attack, you will be looked after Pronto.

    2) The average Canadian is not familiar with the expression "Socialized Medicine"

    3) The average Canadian does not think about a mal-practice lawsuit against the doctor or hospital

    4) I know an American Citizen who goes without health insurance because she can not afford a premium of $1000/month
     
  6. Beretta687EELL

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    Buzz-gun, we aren't taking many Mexicans here in Canada, see the link above. Bill Malcolm
     
  7. Bisi

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    It doesn't matter if the average American wants it or not, it is coming. Ojackass, Pelosi, Reid, Schumer, Kennedy, etal want it and that is all that matters. You think medicine is expensive now, wait till it is free.

    When it becomes a "right" every welfare queen who passes gas will be demanding an MRI to find out why. Talk about a cluster f***! An heaven help us if a white person ever gets treatment before a "person of color".
     
  8. Dahaub

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    Bisi---- I pay over 12% of my total package now for the coverage I enjoy. I can't wait until "It's Free" those who you are bitching about have free coverage now so what's your point? Dan
     
  9. Bisi

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    I've been paying for my own health insurance since I was 18. My point is why can't some of these other people pay for their own?
     
  10. Tripod

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    There is no such thing as "free" Dan. Some one pays.
     
  11. Dahaub

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    Tripod that's why I said "Free" we all pay for those who can't pay . In my case every hour I work the healthcare provider is collecting 6.81 cents. Two years ago that amounted to 18,000 plus and last year it was over 13000. I'm tired of paying so much to cover the dead beats. I also pay the taxes you guys pay. I'd like to be in the 8,000 per year coverage group and keep the extra in my own pocket. Why is it that a dr goes to school 4 more years than anyone else and is paid over a quarter million a year? I'm saying there is too much administration in hospitals and in healthcare plans let them get real jobs and not charge us 25 dollars an aspirin for hospital stays. Are you aware that most nurses spend a larger part of their day charting the patients than careing for them? We need an overhaul of the system and you guys are acting like republicans who are all doctors. Are you afraid of killing the golden goose? I'm not. Lets change the system and overhaul the way we care for ourselves. Those who are overweight must exercise two hours per day. No snacks and no pop and no sugar. Eat three meals with all the food groups and exercise two hours a day. Trap shooting is not exercising. Those guys and gals will have to walk to stay in shape. Park the golf carts and get in shape. Take care of yourself now and it's a lot easier when we get older. If you don't do it when you're in middle age there isn't an old age. Dern I think my rehumatism is kicking in, either that or I have developed the first case of keyboard flinch. Dan:)
     
  12. Two Dogs

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    In Canada and England they have gov. healthcare.. is it perfect---NO-- BUT it's citizens are healthier and live an average 8 years longer than Americans.
    NOW that's a fact.....
     
  13. highflyer

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    I looked it up on the internet. Great thing the internet. Men in Canada live an average of 76.98 years. In Great Britain 76.23. In the United States 75.15. White men in the United States 76. In truth you don't see much difference in life expectancy until you get to the poor countries of Asia and Africa. Your life expectancy is more a matter of lifestyle and genetics than anything else. It is really about the freedom to choose what you want. In socialist countries, like Canada and Great Britain, the government takes away that choice. You still pay for it. Not such a thing as "free health care". And when the government controls your health care they control you. They can dictate lifestyle and they can ration health care, especially in old age. It might not extend your life enough to affect statistics, but you might see it a little different when the government is telling you that you can't get the treatment you want.
     
  14. LWLarson

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    Dahaub...

    First of all... You have no clue...

    Doctors go typically get a 4 year degree in a science, and then 4 very expensive and intense years beyond that in medical school. Then they get the privilege of making a very modest salary for a minimum of 3 more years as a resident. That being for a primary care position. Specialties many more years, neurosurgery out to perhaps 10 years of residency.

    I also know for a fact that you are off by as much as 100% on some, and more than 50% on most primary care physician salaries. You ought to do your homework before shooting your mouth off...

    You seem to be something of an expert on medical care and living healthy too... Should people be more healthy.... Yes... Are many overweight, yes... That said, there are lots of thin people out there with horrible cholesterol... Maybe they should be mandated to go on a salad only diet in your world. In fact, if your genetics are causing high cholesterol, maybe you should have to join us fat people in your little forced workout program... Your new gov't healthcare plan should ban the lipitor from that class of people and put them on a forced march as well... Lots of people drinking too much... paying for soggy brains and livers isn't my responsibility... Anyone that smokes or has smoked should be ineligible from gov't healthcare too then... Maybe working out would help them too...

    You do have one valid point... the doctors, who typically generate the revenue, certainly have lots of beancounters, counting all of those beans... You know what, some of them make salaries awfully comparable to the guys making the beans are... I suppose you aren't on board for limiting frivolous lawsuits either? You must be an Obamanite...

    With all the opinions you put out there, and the accuracy within, you ought to consider running for office... You might even be as bright as Biden...

    LWL
     
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    Ya Think?

    HM
     
  16. bigdogtx

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    A lot of the "costs" are redundant tests to keep hussein's trial lawyer buddies at bay,,,,did you notice, that in the gov't's plan, they are not reducing or eliminating frivolous lawsuits????but yet putting 40 million people on the doles, will REDUCE the costs,,,,what $hit wagon did these IDIOTS fall off of??????

    Now if you are going to get your income dropped by a minimum of 20% and yet still have to pay the malpractice premiums,,,,would you want to spend 10+ years and $250K in education expenses to make $100K per year,,,,bet the real intelligent folks will chose another profession!!!!
     
  17. LWLarson

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    C'mon you two... Getting something for nothing is the American way... We have no-fault insurance for cars... Yet, our El' Presidente' makes sure you can sue anyone with the proverbial "deep pockets"....

    His post was pure hog-wash.... Why isn't he going after UAW guys???... No degree, no education... And the guy pushing a broom is making $30-40/hr... No money laid out for a degree, and a straight 40... double time or triple time for holidays.. guaranteed overtime, great medical, blah blah blah... The gravy train has ended for them, and they can thank themselves....

    Have a heart attack on Xmas... The doc saving your life ain't making double time. Tell the guy cutting out your brain tumor he is overpaid...

    The same doc, with the inception of "electronic medical records" is now spending 1-3 hours on a computer after the clinic hours documenting charts. Not only that... they are tracked and reprimanded or not fully compensated if the diabetics under their care decide to eat unhealthy... Even the 85 yr olds that can be dead tomorrow, choosing a candy bar, causes issues for the doc. Evidently, they are supposed to follow you from the clinic, and take the doughnut out of your hand.... or the 12 pack going down the gullet at night. On top of that, if the "I's" aren't dotted, and the "T's" all crossed, they get to worry about some dirtbag sueing them, many times when they aren't negligent...

    It sounds an awful lot like the new liberal American way... Somebody else is responsible for all of my issues, and its their fault... Not mine, and... Oh by the way, how can I take money I did nothing for, from their pocket...

    I hope anyone voting democrat likes their new health care, and the cost that comes with it....

    LWL
     
  18. bigdogtx

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    dahaub,,,,"In my case every hour I work the healthcare provider is collecting 6.81 cents" Why are you paying your doctors directly???

    "I'm saying there is too much administration in hospitals and in healthcare plans let them get real jobs and not charge us 25 dollars an aspirin for hospital stays. Are you aware that most nurses spend a larger part of their day charting the patients than careing for them"

    LW is right, you have not a clue,,,,stop listening to moveon.org or who ever is shoveling that crap to you. That $25 aspirin you holler about is how they bill for all the other crap you get yet they CANNOT bill for....have a heart attack sometime and see what kind of care you get,,,,usually it is one or two patients per nurse,,,,your GREAT GOVERNMENT will not pay for him/her so the hospital has to get reimbursement through reimbursable items such as Tylenol, Kleenex etc.,,,,you want clean sheets, can't bill for the laundry workers or would you rather lie on $hit stained sheets,,,,come on tell us in your infinite wisdom just how the admin is costing so much,,,,btw, a lot of the admin's time is trying to protect them from your wonderful hussein's buddies again....

    May want to try something you have a clue on....
     
  19. shot410ga

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    The fact is National Health Care is going to happen in the good old USA. No matter how much anyone bitch's. We are the only country in the western world without NHC.
     
  20. Bisi

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    Well there you go, if it is good enough for the rest of the world I guess we should have it too. Severly limiting private ownership of guns is the norm in the rest of the world also, so I guess we may as well get on that bandwagon. Government control of speech and the media is the standard in a lot of the world, so lets join them on that one also.

    Why should the US be any different on anything? Hell let the UN run things so everything can be the same everwhere.
     
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