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Canadian guns to US for repairs

Discussion in 'Uncategorized Threads' started by GunDr, Feb 29, 2008.

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  1. GunDr

    GunDr Well-Known Member

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    I hope some of you could help me out with this.

    I spoke with the BAFTE today and was told it was not a problem. The fella I spoke with in ST Paul even directed me to the page in the "Federal Firearms Regulations Reference Guide 2005".(this is the most current guide)

    Page 200 (R13) (Not Quoted) All nonimmigrant aliens must obtain an import permit from the ATF. The application for the permit can be downloaded from their site. This permit is good for an alien to cross into the US personally with his firearm, OR he may have it shippid to the US by common carrier or US Mail to an FFL holder. A copy of the permit must be sent with the gun.

    Also, what the FFL agent told me is that if shipped, it will go through customs. No problems should occur as long as the required documentation is included. This all seems cut and dried.


    Now...there seems to be a lot of hearsay with regards to shipping a firearm or even a part to Canada. The ATF agent directed me to the Bureau of Industry and Security, Outreach and Educational Services Division. Phone #202-482-4811.

    I explained to the gentleman my situation. The example I gave to him....A shooter in Canada, wishes to send his shotgun to me for repair. He accomplishes this with a permit from the AFT. He said "yes, that is correct". I then asked, if I need any export permits to return this shotgun back to him. The gentleman said "no, you do not". Because, the gun I am receiving originated from Canada, and is only here for repairs and not substantial upgrading, no expoting permit is needed. He said it would highly be likely that Canadian customs will inspect the gun and determine whether any duty will apply.

    I asked if this information was chiseled in stone somewhere, so I could get a copy. He said it can be obtained here...http://www.access.gpo.gov/bis/ear/ear_data.html...Part 740.

    No where did I see mention of firearms. I called the guy back, and he told me it included fireams.


    Now, if anyone from Canada has shipped to the US for repairs, or any shop here in the states, receive repairs from Canada, I could use your input. I've been receiving more calls in the last 6 months for repair work from Canada, and I always tell them to physically carry it across the border, then ship it to me. This doesn't work to well for those living much further north by a couple of hundred miles.


    Doug Braker
     
  2. vdt

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    Doug what make of gun do you want repaired and what needs to be done,shipping can be tricky....vdt
     
  3. GunDr

    GunDr Well-Known Member

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    VDT,

    I've got a gunsmithing business here in Minnesota. The shooters that have contacted me are looking at having either their Perazzi's rebuilt (tightened up), or having their 90-T's gone over (my specialty).

    These guys are not to keen on spending hundreds of dollars for their guns to be shipped around the states for repairs and then on to exporters for more fees, on a job that originally cost a couple of hundred bucks.

    Doug


    UPDATE: I just received a message from ATF agent Doug Worthington, St. Paul office. He said that as long as there is a letter attached to the box, stating the gun is entering the States for repairs, I can return it to the original shipper with no permits being neccessary. Because I didn't get a chance to speak with him, I'll call him next week to verify what he said. I'll also ask for it to be in writing....somewhere, either on a website, on an ATF document, or something from the Exporting Dept. I want to be safe!!! and be sure all the i's are dotted and t's are crossed.

    DB
     
  4. miketmx

    miketmx Well-Known Member

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    Doug, I referred a friend of mine from Edmonton to you to fix his MX3. I really hope this works out because you are the best for fitting the locking block and welding the barrel lugs up to the correct angle to keep these MX3s from opening up on recoil.
     
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    Beretta687EELL Well-Known Member

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    Doug, You might try contacting Joe Potosky at the above web site. He might have the information you need and or some good contact information. Bill Malcolm
     
  6. GunDr

    GunDr Well-Known Member

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    Going into Canada isn't that big of deal. I go up in the fall grouse hunting and I spend ..maybe...20 minutes doing paper work and paying the fee. Coming back is also not a problem, because I still have a copy of the Canadian paperwork from going in that have the make, model, ser# of the gun.

    I thought I did check the lost target site, but I'll check again


    Thanks,

    Doug
     
  7. Joe Potosky

    Joe Potosky Well-Known Member

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    Information on repairs to the states is one of my weak areas and I have not really done full research on the subject.

    The people who are in charge of the ATF Form 6NIA have this posted:

    Q5. I am a nonimmigrant alien temporarily bringing a firearm into the United States for repair. Should I complete the Form 6NIA?

    A. Yes. This is the one other situation (besides a temporarily import for hunting or other lawful sporting purposes) where a nonimmigrant alien should complete the Form 6NIA.

    Call them and see what they have to say (not open on weekends).

    Firearms and Explosives Imports Branch
    244 Needy Road
    Martinsburg, West Virginia 25405

    Phone: (304) 616-4550
    Fax: (304) 616-4551

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    As for an American taking a firearm to Canada for hunting or to attend a shoot.

    Stop at US customs if you have not done so in the past and fill out a form, then report to Canadian Customs and fill out the paperwork and receive a 90 permit at a cost of $25. Very simple process.

    All the details listed at this link:

    http://www.losttarget.com/firearmcanada.html

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    If you want a five year Canadian license all you have to do is attend a Canadian Firearms Safety Class. Take the test first and pass and you don't have to attend the class. If you can't pass the test you should not be allowed to carry a firearm, the test is that easy.

    It took me about three months to get my license and renewed for free.

    Any Canadian gun club along the border can get you the information where classes are held or just visit the Canadian Firearms Center website for provincial contacts.
     
  8. GunDr

    GunDr Well-Known Member

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    Thanks Joe. I posted a few questions on your forum. I'll get on the phone next week and run these questions...again through the ATF and Dept Commerce. I sure would like to have some kind of concrete evidence that I'm doing everything right, like some publications put forth by both of the depts.

    Maybe I can fill in some of my own questions on your forum.----Thanks




    MikeTMX,

    Sorry I can't remember your friends name...I just talked to him today!!! Tell him I'm working on this situation. I'll make a new post once I have all that I need, and then you can pass it along to him.

    Doug Braker
     
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    I asked the question of the ATF regarding entering the US with a Form 6 for gun repairs and was told it was a valid use of the Form 6. However, if you leave the country the gun must accompany you; you are not permitted to leave it behind. Larry
     
  10. GunDr

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    Coming from Canada, you'll need Form 6NIA. For the gunsmith to keep your shotgun, the gunsmith needs Form 6 Part 1. Both forms need to be processed through the ATF before any transportation or work can be done.

    We're trying to figure out the process for shipping the gun back to it's owner. It seems the exporting of shotguns is through the Dept of Commerce, not the ATF.

    Doug
     
  11. Joe Potosky

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    I have a letter into the Firearms Branch asking for clarification on the use of the ATF Form 6NIA and firearm repairs, in writing. I don't expect an answer for several weeks.

    I assume they will state the firearm cannot be left in the states while being repaired, but thought a response in writing would be appropriate. I also asked several more questions on the subject. I well post it so we don't lose the history or have to re-invent the wheel.

    Maybe they will let Canadians (and repair facility) get away from having to use the Form 6, but most likely not. (The ATF Form 6NIA and the Form 6 are different)

    As for the big question, who in Canada will ship a firearm to the states. Not talking a firearm business, but an air carrier, trucking company, or a Canada Post type company as that seems to be the biggest hurdle for those who don't live near the border.

    Once we get all this figured out (ouside of using a paided service) we can post the ABC's on how to go about this.

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    In the real world, many are bringing the firearm over the border on a ATF Form 6NIA and letting an American friend ship the firearm for them to get repaired or modified, or shipping it themselves and using an American friends return address. That's just the way it is....
     
  12. Joe Potosky

    Joe Potosky Well-Known Member

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    Importation of Firearm for Repairs (FAQ)

    Q5. I am a nonimmigrant alien temporarily bringing a firearm into the United States for repair. Should I complete the Form 6NIA?

    A. Yes. This is the one other situation (besides a temporarily import for hunting or other lawful sporting purposes) where a nonimmigrant alien should complete the Form 6NIA.

    This FAQ has been under discussion the past few weeks.

    I contacted the Firearms Branch for clarification in regard to firearm repairs, asking a number of related questions, to include modifications. Comments at the end of paragraphs in the response are my own.

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    This email is in response to your letter to the F&E Imports Branch dated March 2, 2008.

    - There is a fine line between the repair of a firearm and the manufacturing of a firearm. For the most part, gunsmithing is the replacement of parts. Manufacturing is the addition of firearms parts. My suggestion would be to call your local ATF office if you need additional clarification. (I had also asked about modifications to a firearm, not just a repair).

    - The person conducting firearm repairs should be licensed by ATF to do so. They should either be a licensed gunsmith or a licensed manufacturer. A letter from the gunsmith is sufficient documentation in order to apply for an ATF F6NIA. (This was in regard to supporting documentation when submitting your ATF Form 6NIA).

    - Under an ATF F6NIA, the importation is just temporary and when the owner leaves, they must take the firearm(s) with them. (You cannot depart the states without the firearm).

    - An ATF F6 is not the right vehicle for a temporary importation. ATF F6’s are only for permanent importations. (Asked about using the ATF Form 6 to temporarily import for repairs, instead of the ATF Form 6NIA).

    - If you wish to temporarily import a firearm, and cannot wait for the repair, your only other avenue is apply for a DSP-5 temporary import through the US State Department.

    - The importation of barrels also requires an approved ATF F6. If you apply for an ATF F6NIA, you would just record the information about the barrel on the form and explain it is for repair. (I asked about barrel repairs and modifications such as installing chokes. You cannot leave the barrel in the states when you depart. You may have to inquire on choke installation, as that is not a repair. Selling your barrel in the US requires a ATF F6, not to be confused with the ATF Form 6NIA)

    - You cannot leave a repaired firearm in the states when an ATF F6NIA is used. An ATF F6NIA cannot be used for shipping a firearm. (I asked a direct question on the possibility of leaving the firearm in the US and shipping)

    I hope that I have answered your questions. If not, please call our main Imports number at (304) 616-4550 and ask to speak to an Imports Specialist.

    Kevin L. Boydston,
    Department of Justice,
    Bureau of ATF&E,
    Chief, F&E Imports Branch,
    Martinsburg, WV 25405
     
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