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Can you use a trap gun to shoot Sporting Clays?

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  1. Customf1

    Customf1 TS Member

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    Hi, I have a Remington 11-87 Premier Trap 30 inch. Can I use this gun for shooting sporting clays? I am new at Trap shooting and have been using an Improved Modified choke. Would I need to change to another type of choke if I use this gun for shooting sporting clays? Thanks, Howard
     
  2. ImpalaBob

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    The only change I make is switching from a concave trap pad to a convex pad. In trap you start with the gun mounted .... in sporting clays you have to mount "on the hunt". It really makes little difference to me!!
     
  3. dls guide

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    You can sure use your trap gun to shoot sporting clays, but you need to be aware of a few of the differences in the two games. First, I-Mod will be too tight for 90% of the sporting clays courses. Most of the targets are closer and you would be better off shooting IC or LM. Second, most trap guns shoot higher than sporting guns and that works for shooting trap very well. Most sporting guns are set up 50-50 point of aim. But, for shooting crossing and falling sporting targets, you may shoot over them with a 60-40 or 70-30 patterning gun. So, take your trap gun and go shoot some sporting clays. You may have to float the targets a little. Also, you can shoot sporting clays with gun down or gun up (Pre-mounted).Go have some fun. I shoot both trap and sporting clays, but I shoot trap with a sporting clays gun. Daryl.
     
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    I shoot a 682X Trap for Sporting Clays...no problemo!!!!!
     
  5. Oregunner

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    Your only challenge will be that if you have the older overbored trap barrel, that constricts down to take Remchokes, you can't put in a choke that will give you a very open pattern. A skeet choke will shoot like a modified. If it isn't an overbored barrel, put in an I/C choke and go have fun. Mark
     
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    I shoot a trap gun for trap, sporting and most of my hunting. I do just fine with it. Jeff
     
  8. Customf1

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    I like the idea of using an IC choke for Sporting Clays. This is the gun I'm using Remington 11-87 Premier Trap made in 1999. i believe it has a stock barrel. How can I tell if the barrel is overbored? Thanks Howard
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    Yes You Can I do It All The Time.

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  11. Oregunner

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    The truest way would be to use a barrel gauge micrometer.

    You can also tell by the way the Remchoke tubes that came with the gun are labeled.


    Trap (New Style) .727 bore

    Long Handicap

    Mid Handicap

    Singles


    Trap (Old Style / pre-2000)Overbored to .745, then constricted down to .727


    Super Full Trap

    Extra Full Trap

    Full Trap


    Mark
     
  12. dls guide

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    Do not worry if it is overboard. Just stick an IC choke in it and go shoot sporting clays.. If you can shoot with experienced sporting clays shooters, they will help you get started and have some fun.. Beware, it is very a addicting.
     
  13. Oregunner

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    Obviously someone that is not familiar with how Remington made their overbored trap barrels. Putting an I/C labeled Remchoke in an overbored Remington Trap barrel will give you .028 constriction, or about Light Full. If you have an overbored barrel, you need to put in the lightest constriction you can to compensate for the constriction built into the barrel. Mark
     
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    why not. I use my sporting clays for everything. Shot 100 registered at the state shoot once. sporting clays is more fun.
     
  15. Force Break

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    Before I had a gun for all the games I shot alot of sporting clays with a Mod 12 Trap with a WS1 bbl and also a 3200 skeet gun and just changed shells for the target presentation. I now shoot it with my o/u trap gun but change the stock to a flat pad and chokes for the presentation. Unless your trap gun is set up for an 18" float it will work just fine.
     
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    Oregunner,

    I have a choke, obtained from the Remington gun shop at Sparta a couple of years ago (at the 07 Grand). It is label ".027". The other chokes I have for the 11-87 are marked Trap Full, Trap Extra Full and Trap Super Full. That would indicate that I have the .745 overbored barrel.

    In your listing I do not see a .027 name listed. Where would that .027 tube fit into the list you provided? I had always assumed, because of the way it acted, it was a bit more open than the Trap Full choke. I shoot quite fast and the trap full breaks were an all or nothing (smoke cloud or lost) with little margin in between. When I went to the .027 the breaks were more consistent with an more open choke but the wider aiming error margin gave me more breaks but less smoke balls.
     
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    As someone said earlier, don't overthink this. Personally, I believe shooters worry too much about choke selection. You have to put the bead on the bird first. IC/Mod works for just about everything.
     
  18. Oregunner

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    Here is the complete list.
    The first column is bore diameter, the second the diameter of the choke and the third the restriction. The bore diameter is 0.727 on all of the tubes and the diameter and constriction have to equal the .727 The order is from the tightest constriction down to the most open.

    "Ventilator" Extended Ported (Lead Only) 0.727 0.655 0.072


    Turkey Extended Straight Rifled (Lead Only) 0.727 0.665 0.062


    Turkey Extended Super Full (Lead Only) 0.727 0.665 0.062 (also Truglo TG170)


    Turkey Extended X-Full (Lead Only) 0.727 0.687 0.040


    Full (Steel or Lead) 0.727 0.691 0.036

    Modified 0.727 0.709 0.018

    Improved Cylinder 0.727 0.718 0.009

    Extended Rifled 0.727 0.718 0.009

    Rifled 0.727 0.718 0.009

    Improved Skeet 0.727 0.725 0.002

    Skeet 0.727 0.732 -0.005

    Sporting Clays (Extended Nickel-Plated)

    SC Modified 0.727 0.708 0.019

    SC Lt Modified 0.727 0.713 0.014

    SC Improved Cylinder 0.727 0.718 0.009

    SC Skeet 0.727 0.723 0.004

    Trap (New Style)

    Long Handicap (Lead Only) 0.727 0.686 0.041

    Mid Handicap (Lead Only) 0.727 0.693 0.034

    Singles (Lead Only) 0.727 0.700 0.027

    Trap (Old Style / pre-2000)

    Super Full Trap (Lead Only) 0.745 / 0.727 0.690 0.055

    Extra Full Trap (Lead Only) 0.745 / 0.727 0.709 0.036

    Full Trap (Lead Only) 0.745 / 0.727 0.732 0.013

    If what you bought was a new style Singles choke(.027)(It should say Singles on it), and if you are using it in an old style barrel, it is giving you a total of .045 constriction. It may also be a (.027) choke designed for the overbored barrel, which sounds like it might be, given how it performs for you. Mark
     
  19. dls guide

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    No, I don't shoot Remington s or know about their chokes and barrels. I am a master class shooter that shoots Blasers's and Krieghoff's. I just assume that if the choke says IC, that it is .010 constriction. And as complicated as your Remington chokes are, I will never be interested in shooting a Rem. The guy asked if you can shoot sporting clays with a trap gun,and I said yes with a more open choke.
     
  20. Joe Potosky

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    Not a problem using a trap gun.

    A IC and one tighter choke will take care of 95% of targets seen at most courses.

    RE: in sporting clays you have to mount "on the hunt".

    Low gun is not mandatory in Sporting Clays. FITASC yes.
     
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