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Can you identify this headstamp?

Discussion in 'Shooting Related Threads' started by GoldEx, May 18, 2010.

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  1. GoldEx

    GoldEx Active Member

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    I was recently given a full bandoleer of this 30-06 ammunition. Clean and all ammo in 5 round stripper clips with cardboard inserts. The 9 40 is Sept. of 1940 manufacture but I am not familiar with the C N portion. Anyone know if it is corrosive?

    Thanks! Jeff
     
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    Are you sure it's CH and not CN? If the latter, it may be Canadian manufactured ammunition. CH may mean, it's Swiss. Either way, I have no idea if it's corrosive. Chichay
     
  3. GrubbyJack

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    30-06 military ammo, headstamped CN 9 40, 25 rounds on strippers. This headstamp is listed as "unknown" in official sources.
    An internet search turned up several collector sources which state that this was US made (probably by Lake City) in the 1950's, as "sterile" or untraceable ammunition for the CIA. Some refer to it as "Bay of Pigs" ammo.

    Cartridges are generally clean and in good condition. Some have black paint or tape residue...
     
  4. munoz

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    Hello Jeff,
    The headstamp CN stands for "China North" , and the "CH" is from Belgium.
    Manuel
     
  5. hmb

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    In 1940 primers were corrosive. HMB
     
  6. GoldEx

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    Thanks guys. These came in a 60 round bandoleer. Two 5 round strippers per pocket each in their own cardboard. They are extremely clean as Grubby Jack stated. Interesting info on the "Unknown" origin.

    Jeff
     
  7. hmb

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    5 round stripper clips, sounds like they were to be used in a bolt action rifle, like an 03 Springfield. HMB
     
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    As HMB says the 5 round indicate the 03 rifle. The Bs about CIA is just something to make some crap ammo sound more interesting. Intelligence agencies wouldn't use ammo that would be classified unknown and untraceable. The will use something generic that could have come from anywhere. Much better to use something that would be blamed on someone else. THINK.
     
  9. JerryP

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    Per American Rifleman November 1993 article, "The Military Headstamp Puzzle"- it was made by Lake City Ord.

    Does it have a red or green laquer primer seal? Collectors speculate that the ammo was made by the arsenal for clandestine operations.

    I think it would most likely be corrosive. M1 Rifle ammo was corrosisve at the start of WW2 if not all the way through while M1 Carbine ammo, I think, never was.
     
  10. GoldEx

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    Jerry P-

    The ammo has a red laquer seal around the primer only. Can't see any type of sealant on the bullets unless it is below the case mouth.

    Jeff
     
  11. GrubbyJack

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    Silver bs,

    I'm sure glad you don't work for the CIA or NSA etc... Lake City has made LOTS and LOTS of "special" rounds...

    "Intelligence agencies wouldn't use ammo that would be classified unknown and untraceable. " just think what you said... do you even know the meaning of Sterile Operation....I don't think, no, I know you don't know what that is.... too bad...Grubby
     
  12. JerryP

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    It is hardly untraceable with a headstamp. Just need the code.

    GoldEx , could be either color sealant, it's Lake City. Clean the whole gun well after shooting.

    Grubby, We are the good guys, we don't do that stuff. Don't use silencers either. Must be Chinese ammo.
     
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    Here's an article that should clear up the answer:
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    As you can see your cart was made in 1953 at Lake City; kind of an interesting story.
    Dick C. (gatguy)
     
  14. GrubbyJack

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    JerryP:
    I did not know Mitch WerBell was Chinese..........LOL..Grubby
     
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    1953 production should make it noncorrosive.
     
  16. GoldEx

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    Gatguy: Thank you so much for the information. I knew you guys wouldn't let me down.

    "The Bs about CIA is just something to make some crap ammo sound more interesting." Silverbulletxpress.... uhhh.. you were saying what????

    Jeff
     
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