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Can the republican Party Survive?

Discussion in 'Politics, Elections & Legislation' started by tomc66, Apr 24, 2009.

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  1. tomc66

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    I am retired and have been a life long member of the Republican Party. I consider myself to be a moderate conservative.
    Joe Scarbarough,a Republican and former member of the US house, said that if the Republican Party cannot change and adapt, that it will not be around in 5 to 10 years. The reason he said this is because of demographics. In the next presidential election, the Hispanics, Afro Americans and Asians will make up over 30% of the voters. This group votes 75% for the Democrats. Also, young people from 18 to 30 years of age vote overwhelmingly for the Democrats. It is doubtfull that these young Americans will switch to the Republican party when they get into their 30es of 40es. Unless the Republican Party can attract a large number of minorities and the youth, they cannot win a national election. One study indicated if todays demographics were around when Reagon ran against Carter that Carter would have won by 4% points. How can the Republican Party attract the youth and minorities without changing all it has stood for for the past 100 years?
    Change is upon us. National health care is a forgone conclusion. More restitive gun control is around the corner. We maynot like these changes but the majority rules. Unfortunately,the Republican Party is not the majority.
     
  2. DJM

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    I for one wish they would take principled conservative stands on the many issues we face based on the founding principals and let the voters decide. They have been "Me too" Democrats as of late and now we debate weather that is a large part of their apparent demise. If ever they did return to conservative principals and still lose then we know it's over for conservatism and can deal with that as best as possible

    I would also add that in the last election the Democrats were favored by an unpopular incumbent and an economic free fal. They had the charismatic young candidate with star power and we had a stodgy old guy. But they did not win by a landslide. The pendulem does & will swing.
     
  3. jimrich60

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    The Republican Party certainly will not survive if it continues to move to the left as it has been doing for the last ten years. After all, what is reason or purpose to simply vote for "democrat lite" when you can vote for the real thing (i.e., real democrats). The only way the Republican Party will continue to be viable is for it to return to its basic conservative principles, and actually practice them, not just pay lip service to these principles in campaigns, as many Republican candidates do today. McCain lost the election, not because Obama was so great, but because McCain was seem by most conservatives as just another democrat lite and many, many conservatives simply stayed home rather than vote for either. A mistake, in my opinion, but that is what the demographics indicate. Whether or not a revitalized, conservative (not radical right) Republican Party can win national elections in the future is up to the voters. If the population has truly moved left (something I personally really doubt) then liberal left ideas will dominate until they are shown to be failures. But I believe there remains a large untapped conservative base of most Americans (not far right, but basically conservative) that would respond to a "believable" conservative party which truly lived up to the principles once elected. Whether the Republican Party can regain that believability or not, I don't know. It may take another, new party, and 10-20 years to build it again. JMHO

    Jim R
     
  4. englishupland

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    No,
    not the way they are now
     
  5. Setterman

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    Fred, I often agree with you. Still do.
     
  6. Barry C. Roach

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    I believe the Republican party will continue to drink the liberal kool aid. They think that it takes a charismatic candidate to win the Whitehouse. Someone palatable to the younger voters still with mush for brains. Folks I believe we are in for a very long haul. Republicans are just not likable enough right now.

    Conservatism is not dead but it will be asleep until all the current voters mature. I can even see a complete turn around as the future kids become more and more frustrated with the cards they've been dealt.

    I hope.
     
  7. Setterman

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    Barry, Think about it. 8 years ago, if you told someone we would vote in a president named Hussien Obama, attending Wright's church, and proposing a 3 trillion budget.....they'd of thought you were crazy. I don't think Americans are that patient. When the soccer moms and their husbands figure out Orgasma isn't helping them, he's in deep doo-doo. Could happen this year. Unemployment and debt load gets their attention.
     
  8. Trappy12

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    You guys have to be able to move forward, while keeping conservative values alive. I can speak for the youth of America, and the majority agree that the Republican Party is extremely out of touch with what America really is, and what America has become. Many are still under the illusion that America is made up of farmers, and blue collar workers in the middle-America part of the country. If the Republican Party is willing to realize that America can not, and will never be as it was in any given year, decade, or century you choose. To quote a famous American author, "So we beat on, boats against the current, borne back ceaselessly into the past. " That basically sums up the Republican Party today. Just because you're conservative does not mean that you can't progress. Without progression, we as a nation will fall behind and cease to be the great nation that we are capable of being.
    -Trappy
     
  9. Bisi

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    What abiezer said, control the schools and you control the country. Interestingly the next post was one from trappy. Perfect example.
     
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    Trappy,

    What does the Republican party need to "progress" on?
     
  11. bigdogtx

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    What should they change to,,,,a dumbocrat,,,,they have been doing that since 94 and what has it gotten us,,,,we have a good message and the BEST message for America to survive and thrive,,,,we have to stop with the mumbo jumbo and pu$$y footing around,,,,when on LIVE tv and radio, take it to the dumbos and call them on the BS they are spewing,,,,can't do it on taped shows as the networks will put out the drivel they want to!!!!

    The Republicans have also to put out a candidate with credibility and balls,,,,while McCain is a war hero and great guy,,,,he is NOT a conservative and would not TAKE IT to hussein in the election,,,,this WILL NOT win elections, EVER!!!!
     
  12. Barry C. Roach

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    Trappy, The reason the conservatives don't appear to "progress," as you say, is because they espouse closely, the values of the founding fathers. That's not very sexy to you young folk because your in the stage of life where "something new" is very attractive.

    Government is not Rock & Roll. In Rock & Roll what sells is always perceived as "different" or "fresh." Not so in good government. Those founding fathers wrote a great plan for running a free nation and those principles don't change, but they allow for change and embrace it for the good of most in the society.

    Since the the Woodrow Wilson administration the Democrat party has been trying to change the plan. They don't like the freedoms offered by the Constitution. They do, however, work hard to give a free ride to those who should be contributing to society but choose not to. Shame of them and the Democrat party for pandering to that group of folks. The Democrat Party's socialist agenda is not conducive to the good kind of change that strengthens a nation. Their agenda has never succeeded in history. I'm afraid they have become Marxists and my enemy.
     
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    Maybe as the "New Republican's" we can learn to wear Birkenstock's with black ankle socks while flying our Rainbow flag.....

    Anybody for a rousing chorus of Kum-by-ya?

    Curt
     
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    "You guys have to be able to move forward, while keeping conservative values alive." "Just because you're conservative does not mean that you can't progress. Without progression, we as a nation will fall behind and cease to be the great nation that we are capable of being."

    What the hell does this mean? Is this the problem, we just don't "get" this kind of stuff? Am I suffering from dementia? Can anyone interpret this for me?
     
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    Yeah- It means it's ok to still call yourself a conservative, as long as you progress to doing and thinking "their" way. Now pardon me, I have to go vomit.
     
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    Yes, the pendulum will swing back to the right......
     
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    Honestly people don't know what conservative means. Most understand it as keeping people and business rich as the expense of the less fortunate.
    No the republican party sucks and they do a better job of complaining and saying they aren't as bad as the dems than anything.

    Here is what I see as the problem, people expect the government to take care of them, no not just the younger people either. I can't tell you how many times I hear a retired person say the government needs to do something about the costs of meds because they can't afford them, or the cost of health care. Yes just 2 examples but people in their 60, 70, etc expect the government to take care of them also. I think the government is giving the people what they are asking for. So we can bitch about the minorities raiding the government looking for hand outs, or the ones that don't work expecting a check every month, but look around, it's everyone looking for the government to save them.

    The republican party will survive, you just won't like what they will become.
     
  19. Trappy12

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    Ok, let's try this again. There needs to be a new view of conservative values. As a party, the Republicans have the ability to move with the times while still keeping whatever conservative values you may have alive. If they can figure out how to do that, then there will be no problem surviving, but you can't walk around spitting out all this crap about how great America WAS and start talking about how great it can be, with conservative values of course.
    -Trappy
     
  20. skeet100

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    Every now and then you get in a game with the bases loaded, down by 2 with two outs, at that time the man at the plate better hit something or your screwed. Mr. Bush screwed us. He had the chance to do something big and turn the tide and he screwed up big time.

    Once you get power and votes you better make things happen and show folks your way is better or they will run like crazy to something they preceive as better, be it better or not.

    To answer the question I do not know if Republicans will get control before we collapse in debt.

    Oh and don't get me all wrong on Bush, I am smart enough to see all sides and I know he had his good points but he was not leader material, he just had a popular last name.
     
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