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Call him out or not?

Discussion in 'Shooting Related Threads' started by YOTESLAYER, Jul 26, 2012.

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  1. YOTESLAYER

    YOTESLAYER Member

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    There was a shooter on my squad today that clearly missed the 3rd target on his first post. I know he missed, I know it was called lost, and the scorer said 4 for him when she called scores. There was no discussion after the post weather it was missed or not. At the end of the round he said he never missed that target. He then talked another shooter and i beleive his dad into saying he didnt miss. When the 3 of them looked at me I didnt want to cause a scene so I just said i didnt recall. The score was then changed by the score keeper. Would you have called him out? After the round I told the score keeper not to worry and that she handled it well. I also told her if thats how he breaks targets then give it to him. She was kind of shook up over the whole thing.
     
  2. grnberetcj

    grnberetcj Active Member

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    Yes, you should have told the truth (as you see it)...

    Once a shooter leaves the station/post, the score cannot be changed.

    Well, at least now you know who the cheaters are....

    If you feel you now need to do something, write a formal complaint to the ATA.

    Curt
     
  3. SMOKEIT

    SMOKEIT Well-Known Member

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    If it was just a casual shoot let it go. If it was registered he should know that he can't wait till end of round to question the call. Call him out..that is wrong and against the rules....SMOKIT
     
  4. Kevin Fleming

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    The replies you are about to receive are not going to make you feel better about this......
     
  5. ebsurveyor

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    Why do I think this happened in NY?
     
  6. YOTESLAYER

    YOTESLAYER Member

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    It was the Iowa state shoot, the guy had missed a few targets in the first box. I didnt see it relevent at the time to make him or myself look like an ass by calling him out.
     
  7. YOTESLAYER

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    And it was singles, I was pretty sure he had already missed his way out of the money already.
     
  8. Beretta687EELL

    Beretta687EELL Well-Known Member

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    "Sorry, but I didn't see a piece come off it." Bill Malcolm
     
  9. steveziv

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    "I thought you missed it, but if you saw a piece its a dead bird"

    At least make him squirm for it. :)
     
  10. BDodd

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    No calling out involved; it was called a miss and recorded such and the score can not be changed after moving from the post. Just quote the rule and move to the next field.......breakemall
     
  11. BigM-Perazzi

    BigM-Perazzi Well-Known Member

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    " I remember that target, a soft quartering target, I would have destroyed it, She clearly called it lost, calling it 4 at the rotation, and you not challenging it"

    That about covers it...
     
  12. YOTESLAYER

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    Ok thanks for your thoughts on it. Now I know.
     
  13. schneep

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    How would you feel if he and you or one of your friends ended up in a shoot-off against each other.
    Site the rule when asked.
     
  14. BigM-Perazzi

    BigM-Perazzi Well-Known Member

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    12. It is an error if the referee/scorer fails to properly mark the

    results of any shot in the section of the score sheet where the results

    should be recorded. In such cases it is the duty of that contestant to have

    any error corrected <cite>before he/she has fired the first shot at the next post</cite>

    or in the case of his/her last post before leaving the trap.

    If the shooter fails to have the score corrected, the recorded score(s) shall

    remain unchanged and no valid protest will be entertained.
     
  15. bigdogtx

    bigdogtx Well-Known Member

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    This kind of shows what is going in our society today,,,,,,and I am not pointing fingers, just relating how we have become "afraid" to tell it like it is,,,,,,as steveziv said, "I thought you missed it, but if you saw a piece its a dead bird",,,,,,,he would now have to promote himself as a cheater,,,,,too bad his dad and your squad mate didn't do the same,,,,,,that doesn't teach our youth anything,,,,,just if they ask real nice, they they will get a trophy or ribbon just like everyone else does.....
     
  16. halfmile

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    Convincing the scorer to change the tally was cheating, pure and simple.

    If I was there I would have said "Hey, The rules say you can't do that." Then you draw a big fat circle around that mark for management. And on with the event.

    End of story. The scorer and other shooters needed to be educated.

    HM
     
  17. Beretta687EELL

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    HM, I think you hit the nail on the head ... scorers need to be educated on the rules. Bill Malcolm
     
  18. Dickgshot

    Dickgshot Well-Known Member

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    As trapshooters we are supposed to be knowledgeable about the rules, yet we
    put the burden on a young inexperienced scorer. You should have taken the
    responsibility of explaining the rules and insisting they be followed.
    Otherwise, we all might as well all just shoot practice and not have
    competition.
     
  19. Old Cowboy

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    You said you knew he missed and then when questioned you said you didn't recall, YOU be the judge..........should you have called him out or not?

    I think you already know the answer.
     
  20. John Galt

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    Since you had all left the station the score couldn't be changed so what anybody saw is irrelevent at that point. The scorer cheated by changing the score sheet when the rules say he/she can't. The rest of you took advantage of the fact that the scorer didn't know the rules or didn't want to bother following them.
     
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