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California environment whackos again

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  1. wireguy

    wireguy TS Member

    Jan 29, 1998

    Battling Environmental Regulators in Crazifornia
    December 5, 2012 By Laer Pearce

    For a lot of very good reasons, California’s environmental regulators have earned a reputation for being, well, crappy to the rest of us. Three ongoing California regulatory battles over poop reinforce their already well-deserved reputation.

    The first battle is between the California Coastal Commission and the city of Morro Bay over the city’s proposed new wastewater treatment plant. The city, called by some the Gibraltar of the Pacific because the massive Morro Rock dominates its harbor, made the terrible mistake of wanting to do the right thing. It, along with the Cayucos Community Services District, wants to replace an aging wastewater treatment plant with a new facility that will clean wastewater to higher levels and produce recycled water.

    Less pollution going into the ocean and less fresh water used to water yards seem like good ideas — except to the California Coastal Commission. The commission’s executive director, Charles Lester, has decided coastal towns should move their unsightly infrastructure away from the coast to inland locations. There’s one little problem with this idea: It defies gravity.

    Sewage treatment plants are located at the low point of local geography — the coast in California — because it’s much cheaper to let the sewage flow by gravity to the plant than it is to pump it uphill to an inland plant. In Morro Bay, the commission’s staff, on its own, found a site about one mile from the coast, then decreed that site to be the superior location for wastewater treatment. It is recommending the commission force the city to build the plant there.

    If the eco-bureaucrats prevail, they will turn the three-year project into a 10-year one and raise its cost from $60 million to $90 million. They will also saddle Morro Bay’s 10,000 residents with higher bills, since it takes a lot of money — and burns a lot of carbon fuel — to pump sewage uphill. This fact seems to be lost on the commission’s staff, which claims it wants to move infrastructure off the coast not for aesthetic reasons, but because of sea level rise caused by global warming — which in turn is caused, we’re told, by burning a lot of carbon fuel.

    The matter was on the commission’s October agenda, but staff pulled it when the city pointed out major inaccuracies and flawed assumptions in the staff’s report.
    Cormorant poop

    Then there’s the battle over cormorant, pelican and sea gull poop that’s piling up on the rocks in the tony San Diego coastal enclave of La Jolla. Scenic, rocky La Jolla Cove has become an open cesspool, resident Ed Witt told the U-T San Diego, adding, “You couldn’t operate a zoo like this.” The problem started when much of La Jolla’s rocky shore was put off limits to humans, encouraging birds to flock to the rocks, relieving themselves with impressive regularity.

    So why not just wash off the poop? That would be fine, regulators at the Coastal Commission and San Diego Regional Water Quality Control Board say. But only if the city submits a plan describing every detail of how they’ll do it — what methods and materials they’ll use, how they’ll protect the ocean and how they’ll ensure pooping pelicans and cruddy cormorants aren’t bothered.

    If the clean-up plan poses any perceived threat to birds or marine life, then the California Department of Fish & Game, the U.S. Fish & Wildlife Service and the National Marine Fisheries Service stand poised to join the battle.

    It’s not even possible to create a timeline for reaching a solution to this monumental problem, since the Regional Water Quality Control Board has deemed it a low priority. Residents and business owners, who fear the smell will drive away tourists, disagree.
    Home invasion

    San Diego’s Regional Water Quality Control Board — which I fought unsuccessfully when it decreed that rainwater becomes toxic the moment it hits the ground — is the cause of the third poop battle as well.

    Because it succeeded in defining fallen rain as toxic, the board now exerts its authority beyond the prior limits of its purview, the gutter, and reaches into people’s yards. This change is reflected in proposed new regulations that would subject homeowners to six years in prison and fines of $100,000 a day if they repeatedly let dog poop sit unpicked up in their own backyards.

    Similar punishments would be meted out to those who repeatedly allow their sprinklers to hit the pavement and those who wash their car in their driveway.

    The board’s goal is to cut the amount of bacteria in runoff that reaches the ocean. That reminded me of a study conducted some years ago — in Morro Bay, interestingly enough. Scientists collected samples of ocean water and isolated the DNA from fecal coliform found in it to trace its source. They found it to be overwhelmingly not pet or human in origin, but the DNA of coyotes, rabbits, deer, seals, sea birds and fish.

    What will California’s regulators come up with next? Diapers for dolphins?

    (Laer Pearce, a 30-year veteran of California public affairs, is the author of Crazifornia: Tales from the Tarnished State. Originally posted on CalWatchdog.)
  2. halfmile

    halfmile Well-Known Member

    Jan 29, 1998
    Green Bay Wisconsin
    What a ;bunch of crap

  3. Catpower

    Catpower Molon Labe

    Jan 29, 1998
    In the Cabana
    Total stupidity

    But it's not just Comifornia, in 2006 the state of Texas told our co-op water company that we needed to add another well to our system the two we have were doing fine but they said that with the expected growth we would run out of water, so we agreed, as there were a lot of people moving into our once sparsely populated area. We did have one of the lowest water rates in the area

    We got bids, and were going to go with the one for $625,000 we understood we would have to bump up our rates a little until all the new folks had moved in, then the EPA caught wind of the deal and the price went to $2,250,000

    The state said we still had to drill it, since then we haven't sold one new meter, and now have the highest priced water in the area and we are going to have to raise it some more just to break even

    We have some real pi$$ed off customers, we used to be able to pay dividends yearly not anymore
  4. 22hornet

    22hornet Well-Known Member

    Jun 22, 2007
    Hanford, CA
    Several years ago, Pismo Beach had a serious e coli problem in the water at the beach area by the pier. It was discovered that it was coming from the poop of the thousands of pigeons living under the pier. The city hired a commercial exterminator to get rid of the flying rats. Poisoned them, if I remember correctly. The animal rights kooks got wind of it, and made a big fuss. Now they have to trap the stinking things and release them elsewhere. Pigeons being pigeons, just fly bsck to the pier. If one looks at it as a comedy, the tragedy of living here is lessened somewhat.
  5. RobertT

    RobertT Well-Known Member

    Jun 27, 2006
    With our newly elected democratic super majority's in the California Congress the fun is only just begining.
  6. BT-100dc

    BT-100dc Active Member

    Nov 7, 2008
    It's just a matter of time until California implodes; once this happens then I'll get some idea when America follows suite; so goes California so goes the rest of the country. You've now got a super majority in your senate and house and Jerry Brown will help grease the skid into disaster. I just hope and pray that I will never be forced to bail your state out. You've made your bed and you should lie in it. What I feel bad is for those people who have tried to stop the insanity but you're so outnumbered. Sucks to be a Californian. BT100dc
  7. cafowler

    cafowler Member

    Jun 15, 2008
    so goes California so goes the rest of the country. You've now got a super majority in your senate and house and Jerry Brown will help grease the skid into disaster....

    Well said, and truly incredibly unfortunate! You're words were just how I felt on election night. Gov Moonbeam put 2 new taxes on the ballot I never thought would pass in a million years, they did, overwelmingly. With the empending Federal "fiscal cliff" and automatic tax increases being inevitable, combined with these new just passed CA tax initiatives, CA has the dubious honor of having the highest tax rates in the nation shortly. Along with the highest debt, unemployment, schools ranked 34th or so, on, and on, and on. Something like a combined state/fed 50% effective rate if you're in the highest bracket I heard the other night. I guess this is what the young generation & all your old hippies who moved here in the 60's summer of love wanted. Definitely not what I wanted or voted for. I guess we're finally getting that change Obama was talking about 4 years ago. For me it's a sick feeling in my gut. Sure hope the CA tax rates don't spread to your state, but there's a couple million old hippies and their stupid kids I'd love to give back to Ohio, and every other state they moved here from. NJ can take Pelosi and her billionaire husband developer back, we really don't want her. Someone vandalized her vacation house in St Helena/Napa Valley on election eve. Think she'll get the message and move back to New Jersey? Maybe take Gov Moonbeam with her....

    Back to trapshooting rants. After the CA 50% tax fiscal cliff hits, I guess I won't have any money left to shoot trap any more. Maybe Obama will give me a federal trap shooting bailout?
  8. shot410ga

    shot410ga Well-Known Member

    Jan 29, 1998
    I am really happy I retired and moved out of California ten years ago. I can't imagine how much money I've saved since leaving. I was born and raised there. What a wonderful place to grow up in during the 50 & 60"s. I remember when Disneyland was surrounded by orange groves. Now----well, too bad, everyone I knew there has moved to another state.
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