I am looking into possibly purchasing a new Caesar Guerini trap gun, but i would
like to get some feed back from people that have them. Which models and how you liked or dislike them.
Good guns. I owned a Summit 32" O/U. Not much recoil. I messed mine up though by cutting the stock and putting a Gracoil on it. Don't do anything to your CG. Just shoot it as it comes out of the box.
I have three Guerini's, all Summit models two trap guns, a 34" single barrel and a 32"/30"combo plus a 32" two barrel sub gauge sporting. I like them all very much, good quality which equates to good value. They point very well and for me have a very low recoil sensation even when shooting heavy loads at games. I have nothing bad to say about them.
I also own a few Perazzi's and I think Guerini's dynamics are on par with Perazzi's.
I had the Summit Trap combo and then moved up to the Maxum combo. Both great guns but I got hooked on the engraving and sideplates of the Maxum. Performance over the past 3+ years with the Caesar Guerini has been top notch. I have made several tries at other high quality Trap Guns but keep coming back to the CGs. If I was smart I would not even bother trying some other gun but then what would the gun whore in me find to do? Humm maybe go back to collecting Smith and Wessons.
Just got a new Summit black Impact combo trap 2. Waited 7 months for, very nice looking feels great right out of the box can't wait for spring. Machining is high quality.
As with all the fellow Guerini lovers above, I bought a new Summit Trap Combo. Before buying, I shot many different guns, Kriegoff, Blaser, Perazzi, etc. To me the Guerini Felt and shot the best of all of them. The only guns that came close was the Perazzi MX2000/8 and MX6. However they appear to break down more than I care for and their customer service blows. As you may already know Guerini's customer service is second to none. By the way, the gun has performed flawlessly.
I own three Guerini's, a Magnus Sporting 30/32, Summit Trap, and just got a Summit Impact. Beautiful guns, great balance, and all shoot with very low recoil. I love the Impact, and will probably end up letting the Summit Trap go because I haven't shot it lately. The Impacts rib fits my shooting style easier. What ever you decided you won't regret the Guerini guns.
You might ask yourself why do they need a great service dept. This subject has been debated ad nauseum on this site, look for past threads on the subject.
Before I comment on Guerini I think it best to let all know that I only have sixteen months of trap shooting under my belt. In those sixteen months I have owned two Ljutics, one Krieghoff, a Kolar Combo and a Guerini Magnus. What can I say, I really like guns!
I still own one Ljutic and the Kolar, but I shoot the Guerini. The other guns were (are) really good guns. But the Guerini hit the "sweet spot" for me. The Ljutic and the Kolar are heavy. The Krieghoff weighed about the same as my Magnus. I put a lot of work into the Krieghoff trying to get it to fit me and shoot where I was looking. It didn't happen.
I have been shooting the Magnus 34" unsingle for seven weeks now. My scores have increased dramatically. When I purchased the Magnus I handled and mounted nine brand new ones right out of the box before I found the one that I wanted. It seems that there are differences from gun to gun regarding the stocks. The one I found had just the right amount of offset for me. And apparently it has "universal fit" as everyone at the club where I shoot says "I can shoot this gun!" when they pick it up and mount it.
In addition to the gun fitting me, I would be less then honest if I did not mention that I had some very special help adjusting the guns POI immediately after I made the purchase. And that special help was in the form of an "All American" trap shooter, Louie Morgan.
I am fortunate to shoot at a club in Southern Ohio that Louie frequents. Louie is a "Pro Staff" member for Guerini and also shoots a Magnus Trap Gun. Over the course of three weeks he spent hours with me going over every aspect of the Guerini. In addition, he accompanied me to the firing line and watched as I burned up box after box.
"Is it real or is it Memorex?" The same question could be asked about my Guerini. Is it the gun or is it the Louie Morgan affect? I think it is both. All I can tell you is that the gun feels like an old friend when I bring it to my shoulder. It swings fast and has very little recoil.
I got a lot of bang for my buck when I bought the Magnus Trap Gun. Throw in the time spent with Louie and it appears to be one of the best gun purchases I have ever made.
I like mine, free rebuild after 30K shells, no BigDon, it didn't need anything done to it of any substance. Thats great service. I had an early one where the recevier finish flaked, they sent to Italy for redo, should have it back this week. No charge. Great people, in Maryland, to deal with, they respond instantly to emails/phone calls.
By great service are you referring to Guerini's "Pit Stop" program in which they service the gun for you at no charge. We see them at the Grand, Ohio, the 2012 Spring Grand, Seminole Cup, NSCA Nationals and others offering this great service. Or are you referring to when you have an issue they get the gun back to you often with in a week to 10 days - including shipping time. Compare that to many others. Hard to do.
Big Don would suggest that Krieghoff's annual service policy would suggest known problems with the K-80.
We sell a lot of Guerini's with very few concerns. One of the best guns you can purchase $ for $. DGG
If anyone is interested,I have a brand new,unfired,open warrenty,Summit Unsingle with 32" bbl. Gun has never been out of the house & assembled maybe 3 times. $3750. Yes,I know,everyone wants a 34" bbl but what about the young, kids,ladys & old farts out there that can't muscle around a long bbl. Tom.
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Cazadore I see you only mentioned 3 trapshoots. One of your shooters said he had a total rebuild after 30K rounds. I have put over 20,000 registered through my current K gun per year for the last 4 years and not one malfunction let alone a "total rebuild".
Yup I get my gun annualed every year. I call it preventive maintaince just like my car getting serviced. I don't want to wait for it to break before I do something. I shoot in many places where there is no gunsmith present and a 10day turn around time does nothing for me in the middle of a tournament. I want and get dependability out of my gun. If a 4 hour annual and the cost gets me that it is well worth it.
The constant bragging about your service tells me you have problems with your guns and some of the horror stories have been on here. Remember I didn't interject the K gun into the conversation you did.
Bigdon, i did not say "total rebuild" after 30K rounds. They stripped it down, replaced springs, sent it back and touched up the stock where i wore finish off. What other major gun maker will do that? I call it preventative maintenance too.
Its not a Perazzi in terms of build/fit and finish, I have a MX2005 and have owned a couple of MX3s. But it is a great gun for the money and the company's support of its product is excellent.
What Guerini has is great Customer Care, meaning they care about the customer and take the extra step to seperate themselves from their competition by offering tune up services. These extra services make the customer feel they made a good choice when choosing Guerini over their competition, which they did by the way.
The fact remains and always will, when you manufacture anything you will have problems somewhere along the line. Problems come part and parcel in the manufacturing process, I'ts how you handle these problems that seperate one company from another. Guerini takes the extra step in handling problems when they arise.
I have to laugh at all you goofs when you pound your chests about how many trouble free miles (rounds) you have on your heaps, when in fact all of them break now and again, I've seen trigger failure on all of them, you name the brand, the same for ejectors, wood cracks and the rare barrel failure. I guess if you drive a Chevy They must be the best or the same for Ford, when we all know better.
Everything in life is not black or white as much as you guy's try to convince everyone it is.................
I have shot mine for going on the last 2 years. Probably creeping up on 30-40k through it. Summit combo and it has been flawless. I am enjoying it and don't shoot it half bad either. I took it in to Guerini at the Grand, they gave it the once over. Nothing was wrong with it, just figured it would save me the shipping. I think its a whole lot of gun that doesn't break the bank.
The thing is that if you have had to deal with P,K or the worst of them all browning service. Everybody or anybody is ecstatic to have the great customer service they have.... Great product and they stand buy it with a smile...
I have 3 Guerini's and enjoy shooting all 3. have done well with the trap Summit. Pull triggers are excellent, adjustments are easy and repeatable, factory chokes pattern very well. No real negatives for me,little bit of finish wear to the stock where my face rests after 20k rounds and you must maintain your chokes, keep them clean and greased or they will stick.
I pulled the stock off the trap gun a couple days ago and was very impressed with the quality of the machining and the finishing of the internal parts, very smooth, no rough surfaces, also after 20k or more rounds there was no visible wear to the trigger parts.
I have taken advantage of Guerini's service, all 3 were run thru for their pit stops which are nothing more than a cleaning and inspection, Guerini will replace any worn parts they find. All this costs nothing and nothing was needed for my guns. A friend of mine with a Summit trap he purchased used had a stuck choke tube, he admitted he had never removed it to clean or lube, and the fore end cracked, he took it down to Guerini fully expecting to be charged for the repairs. After looking at the gun they simply said they would take care of it, replaced the fore end with a nicely matching piece of wood, and removed the stuck tube. All work was done for no charge and the only thing he paid for was a new choke tube. This was all on a used gun even though the warranty specifically states the warranty only applies to the original owner.
The people behind Guerini USA are also a pleasure to deal with, you can call in with a question and if they can't answer it right away a gunsmith will usually call you back before the end of the day. Most of them are also shooters and use their products.They are committed to their product, when they expanded their current building a large part was devoted to modern brightly lit service space for the gunsmith's and they have also added service trailers for the major shoots. For a relatively young company, 12 years or so old they have managed to keep coming up with new innovative products such as the Impact line. Now that they own a stake in Fabarms creating the second largest shotgun manufacturer in Italy it should be interesting to see what they come up with, the semi-autos shown at the Shot Show I bet are just a start.
If it sounds like I am a fan I am and I will continue to be one until they give me a reason to not be which I don't think will come any time soon.
I have a summit combo set. It is by far the best gun I have ever had... And not always does a gun fit right out of the box after shooting a lower rib gun so they do have the best service I have ever seen!!!turn around time is fantastic.. John and Brfian are the best if you need help. This gun was bought by my father, He had cancer, it was his dream gun. He bought it at the Pa state shoot explained that he wanted a release trigger in it. Royfrom Hi Grade sent it out the Monday after the shoot and we had it back Wednesday So he could shoot our league. but because at the time he lost so much weight he needed to have a recoil reducer in it. John turned it around within a week so he could shoot, They went over and above for him. And now I proudly shoot his gun and they have helped me reset it for me. They are truly angels. Trap shooting is so much more that throwing a shell in the gun .. Not another dompany could have or maybe even would have done what they did for my family that is why I will always shoot their guns!!!
Love my new Magnus unsingle. Great balance, soft shooting an crisp trigger.
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