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Ca. FFL suppose to collect sales tax?

Discussion in 'Shooting Related Threads' started by buck3200, Mar 8, 2010.

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  1. buck3200

    buck3200 Well-Known Member

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    Tryed to find answer,seems I remember seeing it,but no luck and it don't hurt for newbies. So do they or don't they on firearm purchased from another state.And what about other states?
     
  2. lbshootin

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    Yeah, they collect taxes, and some of them here in southern california, even appraise your gun and charge you tax on what they think the value is, no matter what you paid for it....some do..some don;t..ask first!...LarryB
     
  3. Frank C

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    thieves
     
  4. buck3200

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    The gent I'm dealing with right now will accept whatever I say as far as sales price and he was VERY helpfull. I'm just wondering if the law changed or what. Been a while and Bruce at Triple B never charged me but 25 for DROS.
     
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    There is a great site called Calguns.net that deals with all things gun related in California. there have been some discussions about this and the FFL holders have been very open with the discussion.

    Yes, the State Board of Equalization has told all the FFLs they they must collect sales tax. It is very clearly written in the law and any that do not will risk having to pay it themselves. It is not really a sales tax but a use tax they must collect. It just happens to be the exact same rate as the sales tax.
     
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    It is my understanding that the tax is supposed to be collected on the transfer fees, NOT the value of the gun. The gun was purchased out of state so Ca has no call to collect sales tax on a sale that took place elsewhere.
     
  7. Steve W

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    Send only the receiver of expensive guns to FFL. Declare value of the receiver and pay tax accordingly.
     
  8. luvtrapguns

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    In many States, if you buy something out of state that is shipped to you YOU ARE OBLIGATED BY LAW TO DECLARE THE SALE AND BE SUBJECT TO PAYING THE SALES TAX just as if you bought it from a store just around the corner. The difference is you have to file a form and send the tax to your State of residency. Many (most) never declare the purchase and are never questioned or pursued by the State. Marc
     
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    Listen... If you follow politics at all, you know taht we are all supporting CA. They will do anything to raise money. Including devising bogus sales transactions.
     
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    A lot of FFL dealers are trying to get away with more and more. The guy I use charges me 25.00 per transaction, so I stick with him. Here in Jersey when you do research you'll find that price changes from dealer to dealer. Enough to make you sick. All dealers should have a set price designated by the state
     
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    California has done nothing but cheat, steal and shred our guns rights and used our own money to do it. Gun owners out there can't seem to do anything but bitch about it. All gun and ammo sales (including law enforcement) to California need stop immediately. Let them have it their way.

    If you enjoy your shooting sports then get involved immediately. If not, keep bitching.

    IMO, no further business with California consumers period.
     
  12. CalvinMD

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    Thats hard to do..and the ones it punishes the most is our sport shooting brethren who are seriously outnumbered in that Godless hell hole..to California itself, I dont think its about the money...they just want Guns and hunting, shooting and anything related to go away...It has turned into a treehugging, dope smokin', Latte drinking ,same sex love fest
     
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    Last thoughts:,...Lets just hope the next "big one"...takes Californica offshore a few hundred miles and that all of us sportsmen buy up prime Nevada water front property and erect a 1000 mile electric fence...then start a referendum in the remaining 49 to cut that tax dollar draining White elephant loose..and the best part...after revoking thier statehood..putting Pelosi and Boxer in a leaky little row boat to cross the new San Andreas channel with big 'ol sloppy pork chops around thier necks and plenty of hungry Great Whites for escorts....Ahhh..dreams over, guess its time to wake up
     
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    Believe it or not guys, not everyone in Kalifornia is a tree huggin' pot smokin' Latte drinkin' sex love fest Pelosi loving lower than dirt liberal.

    There are some of us out here that believe in God, pay our taxes and also promote the 2nd ammendment.

    I recall this thread got started when somebody asked if a California FFL is supposed to collect tax, right?

    CalvinMD,
    I was going to buy a Ljutic shotgun online one time and called around to the various FFL's here in San Diego area to find out how much I would pay for the transaction. The numbers varied anywhere from $50 to $350. The highest being a rip off, highest place in the US to do business with gun shop in El Cajon called El Cajon gun exchange. When I spoke with the person giving me the quote, he asked me what name brand of shotgun I was buying. When I told him Ljutic, he said "oh, Ljutic is kind of a high end gun. So that will cost more".

    Why would they charge more for an FFL transaction for a more expensive gun? It doesn't cost them any more to handle it than it does a $500 gun. It's because they take advantage of ignorant shooters that are stupid enough to shop on their premises. It has nothing to do with being in California. There are greedy people all over the US.

    Kevin
     
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    There is a fellow near Nashville that charges $50, or 10% of the purchase price of the gun. When asked how much to transfer a high grade K-80, he told me $3500.

    Have not been back to his store since.
     
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    A store with an FFL and all the responsibilities and bookwork it requires for a transfer is worthy of some sort of fee.
     
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    Nobody is arguing the fact that the FFL deserves to collect a fee for doing the transfer paperwork. HOWEVER, when they collect 8.25% of the value of the gun as their "fee"...that is BS. Walk away and find a shop that is abiding by the rules.
     
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    It's 9.75% in Los Angeles county. Ship the receiver to FFL only.
     
  19. EE

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    hrosik123, why the hell should the state set prices for private businesses???? That's basically Communism. If a guy is charging you too much, go to another dealer.

    Let me guess, you voted for Obama.

    EE
     
  20. waverider

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    My take of what may be happening in Calif. and else were.

    Sales Tax: you purchase something from a store, the store charges you the sales tax and turns it over to the state.

    Use Tax: Like a sales tax for in state purchases, plus you purchase something out of state; YOU are SUPPOSE to send the tax amount to the state. Would you knowing that the out of state person/company will not bother to notify the state of the transaction? So, since firearms are being registered by the FFL the state may be using the FFL holders doing business in Calif. to keep the residents honest. The FFL could be in jepordy with the state, if they do not collect the Use Tax and get audited by the state.

    Jason
     
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