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Bush wants 1.4 Billion for border security

Discussion in 'Uncategorized Threads' started by Bisi, Feb 17, 2008.

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  1. Bisi

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    President Bush wants to spend 1.4 Billion for a stimulus/border security bill called the Merida initiative. The only problem is it is to protect MEXICO'S southern border from illegals coming from Central American countries.

    The man doesn't or won't spend a nickel to protect our southern border but he wants to protect Mexico's southern border. Why not spend the money on our border? Those Central American illegals coming into Mexico aren't going to stay in Mexico, they are headed this way. Stop the sobs at our border where we can also stop the Mexican illegals.

    I found out about this from Michelle Malkin's web site.

    Bush is also presently in Africa at this time giving away billions. Billions to fight aids, malaria, etc... Does anybody think that money will be used for that? That money will be stolen by warlords, government officials.

    400 billion dollar deficit this year and the man gives money to anybody and everybody.
     
  2. Tripod

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    Yes flincher, its a good thing he didn't go with the democrats proposal, we would have been 6 trillion dollars in debt.
     
  3. Tripod

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    You are right Tron and every budget proposal by the democrats was more. Restraint is not in the cards anymore for either party. Thats why McCain is not popular with conservatives either. "You aint seen nothin yet". Wait till Obama or Hillary get all of their programs going.
     
  4. bobdog

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    No, *YOU'RE* the stupid head!

    Sheesh. Give it a break, fellas.
     
  5. Paladin

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    "Heard the war has put this country 3 TRILLION dollars in debt, so far."


    Here flincher read this book;


    'How Bill Clinton's Failures Unleashed Global Terror, by Richard Miniter. Thank you mr and mrs slick willie. I hope your greed and gratification was worth the devastation you've wreaked on this country.


    And yes,, I will be voting Republican. Period.
     
  6. alfermann66

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    Tron, if you want to critisize Bush have at it, but get your facts straight first. Understand this, there never was a budget surplus, it was all smoke and mirrors predicated on estimated tax revenues from the house of cards created by the internet bubble. Additionally, Bush did not put the country 9 trillion dollars in debt. He inherited over 6 trillion of debt from previous administrations. The truth is bad enough without stretching it.

    Buz
     
  7. dmarbell

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    Table 1.1, 1998-2001 show budget surplus. Those are actual results, not projections or estimates.

    Danny
     
  8. Paladin

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    Mash on the link.

    There has been a national debt since at least 1940. During slick willie's years in office, the dept was around 5 Trillion. According to the graph, the national dept did not decrease one single year during slicks years. Not one.
     
  9. ivanhoe

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    deckart I just did a little research on your statements the following in particular. "Do you understand that this war has killed more of our soldiers than 9/11? It has been going on longer than the Civil War or WWII??? AND it is not even close to being done. Who starts a war and can't decide how to end it????"

    Two points "Do you understand that this war has killed more of our soldiers than 9/11?" yes I realize the war has killed more people than the attack on US soil on 9/11. I also realize that there were no soldiers killed at the World Trade Center.

    "It has been going on longer than the Civil War or WWII??? AND it is not even close to being done." The Civil War had "At least 618,000 Americans died in the Civil War, and some experts say the toll reached 700,000. The number that is most often quoted is 620,000. At any rate, these casualties exceed the nation's loss in all its other wars"

    WWII,US casualties 413,000 of which 6000 were civilians. The attack on Pearl Harbor.

    The following is a list of how many people were killed on Dec. 7, 1941 as a result of the Japanese attack upon Pearl Harbor.

    US Navy 2,008 KIA

    USMC 109 KIA

    US Army 218 KIA

    Civilians 68

    Total 2,403

    The War in Iraq so far "Death toll in Iraq 3,964" at least this is the last figure I can find

    You are correct it is not even close to being done and it will not be finished because The US is now fighting a political war. By that I mean we can't just level the place for a couple of reasons one the just because of the problems in this discussion "Money" the other is everyone being concerned how we will look in the court of world opinion.

    I included the casualty figures because you use them in the discussion like ammunition. As far as I am concerned all of those casualties in any of our wars should never have happened. In Iraq if you look at the total casualties for the same time are much lower than WWII. In WWII we went to war and did no stop until the shooting stopped now we are more interested in our image and our money. I am sickened by that I am sorry to say. I am however sickened more by this "Heard the war has put this country 3 TRILLION dollars in debt, so far" as you can see the "Money" is a bigger topic of discussion than the loss of life. That is sad and speaks volumes about where this Country is headed. Not one of the demo/socialist has a clue as to what this country's image is actually going to be when this whole thing is over.

    Bob Lawless

    PS one more thing you asked "Who starts a war and can't decide how to end it????" Ask the Japanese. Please remember the cost of Freedom is not free. If this country could bring those casualties back three trillion dollars would be a cheap price to pay.
     
  10. chipped1

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    A billion $ here and a billion $ there -- pretty soon your talking real money.
     
  11. ivanhoe

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    deckart I disagree with you on almost everything. On war we are miles apart you said " The Japs knew they had to kill as many of us as they could to win the war. They knew it took planes, men, materials etc to do it. They knew how they would end it,,," I see it differently when you go to war you do it because you have been wronged and you go with the intent to end as soon as possible. With the intent of winning with as few casualties as possible.

    You also said "BUSH didn't. He sent in too few men, in the WRONG country, and with crap for weapons. How do we go there for WMD and end up building a democracy?????" What ever we went to war for name me one country that we have been to war against(and won)that we haven't rebuilt. We even helped rebuild France and they treat us like @!%#$. Unfortunately we can't say we are going for this or that if we new the outcome in the beginning there would be no need to go. BTW you said the Japanese knew "BUSH didn't He sent in too few men," Bush didn't send in to few The United States sent in to few. All of those politicians that are crying about this war and the "Money" and all of the rest of it voted to send the US there. Now they want to cut and run. I say stand behind those troops that are their and stop crying about the "Money" and make sure they have enough of what ever it takes to get the job done. I also have my own opinions on the last administrations policies on terrorist(or should I say lack of policies)but that is another story. I have hijacked this thread long enough.

    Bob Lawless
     
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    Bush could win the war today and I will still hate him for trying to give our country to mexico. The Dixie Chicks were right all along about him, just the wrong issue.

    All of this arguing about Obama, Clinton and McAmnesty is for naught. Our two party system is so broken that in the end, the will of the people don't mean squat.
     
  13. ivanhoe

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    Well let me see flincher100 and Landshark it seems the demo/socialist are out in bouquets, That figures mentions anything with money in the title "Bush wants 1.4 Billion for border security" and the demo/socialist flowers bloom gee and you don't even need water.

    The both of you are right in your own way I will stay the course. I because I believe in this country unlike you that are only in it for what you can get.

    Yes the two party system is broken but then again it always has been to bad you can't see that. Also unlike you I always sign my name to what ever I say.

    Bob Lawless
     
  14. shannon391

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    In his last year he want's to make a feeble attempt at border control? Give me a break, He's already sold out the American worker and homeland security as well.
     
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    Last I heard the executive branch can't propose legislation.
     
  16. highflyer

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    I am really hoping the Democrats will win and control the house and the Senate. I want Jimmy Carter II. Double digit inflation, double-digit unemployment, and double digit interest rates. I want them to fulfill their promise of a quick surrender to the terrorists in the Middle East and our quick humiliation and withdrawal. I want them to shift the money from our military and spend, along with the billions they already spend, more billions on the non-workers in this country. Along with that they are already promising more billions to be raised for the "poor" around the world. The left with their destruction of our families, our morality and our unbelievable debt from our social programs can then get all the credit they deserve. Let those with their hands out to the government have it all. Their mommy can take care of them be it Hillary or Obama.
     
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    I am really hoping the Democrats will win and control the house and the Senate. I want Jimmy Carter II. Double digit inflation, double-digit unemployment, and double digit interest rates. I want them to fulfill their promise of a quick surrender to the terrorists in the Middle East and our quick humiliation and withdrawal. I want them to shift the money from our military and spend, along with the billions they already spend, more billions on the non-workers in this country. Along with that they are already promising more billions to be raised for the "poor" around the world. The left with their destruction of our families, our morality and our unbelievable debt from our social programs can then get all the credit they deserve. Let those with their hands out to the government have it all. Their mommy can take care of them be it Hillary or Obama.
     
  18. Paladin

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    deckart/sammie,,you've come full circle now,,starting out as deckart, then to antigojohn, then to sammie, now back to deckart. Why so many changes?


    deckart/sammie said "No surplus during clinton's years". No there wasn't. If you don't like my link, mash on dmarbells link and look at table 7.1.,, 'Federal Dept At The End Of Year'. The national debt increased each and every year slick was president.


    deckart/sammie said from 6 billion to 6 trillion then back to 6 billion. I can see you have a problem with numbers sam,,so I'm glad you aren't my banker.


    deckart/sammie said "WOW, no wonder you guys think we belong in Iraq". Mash on the URL box. Those people think we belong in Iraq. Have you asked them?? I didn't think so.


    deckart/sammie said "how much did bush tax breaks to the rich cost us". It didn't cost me a dime. It's my money, and someday I'll thank P43.


    deckart/sammie said "how much will it cost" (war). Again, ask some of the people in URL link, some of them vote for the funding.


    Over 100 of your people,,your liberals voted for invasion,,and today they stab the soldiers in the back. You don't give a crap about the soldiers. With you, it's all about politics and your hatred of George. Period.
     
  19. jackmitch

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    what was that little war willie got us in that we are still policing?was it kosovo. don't here anyone mention that. guess it's cause the wonderful u.n. is involved that one. if willie had taken care of business every time he said he said he was going to 9/11 just may have never happened.jackmitch sorry i usually don't get to involved in politics on here.
     
  20. Paladin

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    deckart/sammie,,there is no "agreement" or anything of the sort. You were previously asked why the change back to deckart,,to which you gave a reason,,in your 'tailgate of trapshooting truck' thread. Remember?

    Now, there is no mystery links. Mash on either one sam,,take your pick,,straight from the Treasury. Open them!!

    deckart/sammie said "I don't care who voted for Iraq". That's your problem sam, you want to hold some accountable but not others. Why?
    We were lied to alright,,by your people!!


    Speaking of New Orleans, the people of Louisiana recently spoke loud and clear as to whom was responsible for the whole failure, top to bottom,,the controlling liberal party of the time. Just ask them, they were more than happy to set the record straight. The voters have since elected a Republican governor. They had their fill of liberals.


    Ic, I remember that convoluted cover story. Kind of funny, but really disingenuous.
     
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