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Bullseye powder and 7/8oz loads

Discussion in 'Shooting Related Threads' started by goatskin, Apr 27, 2010.

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  1. goatskin

    goatskin TS Member

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    I'd like to load up a bunch of S&G 24g loads and I have plenty of Bullseye.

    I have plenty of misc. Eurotrash hulls, F209A primers and various .740 Euro wads and I'd like to get velocity up +1250, and 1300 would be better.

    It has been quite a while since Bullseye load data has appeared in Alliant or Hercules publications (and I'm not sure 7/8oz was ever mentioned, even then).

    I have (published) 1oz Bullseye Load data showing 18gn, F209A, FGM, 12S0 for 1200fps & 7400psi.

    Does 18-18.5gn sound about right for a 1250-1300fps, low-psi 24gm worm-burner?


    Bob
     
  2. PerazziBigBore

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    why don't you swap out the Bullseye for Red Dot/Promo.. I have tons of data for that in 7/8oz..
     
  3. goatskin

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    Yeah, Mike, I like 20gn of Red Dot, too, driving 24gm, but I don't know any swappers.

    I have plenty of PB & 7625, but I'd just as soon keep those for other uses, and Bullseye is a good, safe, fast shotgun powder, too. It's just not popular enough any more to make the publications.


    Bob
     
  4. Hap MecTweaks

    Hap MecTweaks Well-Known Member

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    Bob, give Ben a call at Alliant and ask him about a couple of Bullseye recipes? If he can't quote them, he can find them for you.

    Hap
     
  5. goatskin

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    Thanks Hap, I have a call and e-mail into him, but all my folks are gone tonite and I was going to do some loading since 'life' couldn't get in the way for a few hours.


    Bob
     
  6. RunGunIPSC

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    I have lots of that old info but for AA,Premier,Fed paper. Nothing for Euro trash. With 17.5,SO wad,Fed 209 & Fed paper PSI was 4400. It always gave low oressures. I would call them
     
  7. Indyrun

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    Isn't Bullseye a pistol only powder? I use 3.5 grains in 45ACP loads. I can't imagine what 18 grains would do in a shotgun! Please don't get on the same squad as me.
     
  8. Rimfirejim

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    That is correct Indyrun, Bullseye is almost pure nitro. BE extemely carefull!!! Jim
     
  9. Neil Winston

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    Bob, when I used Bullseye in 3/4 and 7/8 oz loads, it seems to me I used less than 14 grains which was a low 20's MEC bushing as I remember. Even Claybuster 4100b wads were too short. I'll look and see if I have any boxes left; they will say what's in them.

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  10. goatskin

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    IndyRun & RimfireJim, Bullseye is an excellent - if old - fast powder, and has always had a good following in 1oz loads. Obviously, it is a good pistol-powder, too, and that's mostly what folks use it for nowadays.

    There are 'better' (newer, more popular, different burn characteristics, etc.) powders now, but it does not mean Bullseye is not, still, job-rated. And, of course, all my Bullseye came from deceased pistol-shooters.



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  11. Ajax

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    The Lyman number 3 list Bullseye for 1 once loads at 17.5 with about 8000 lup in the 1190fps range.

    I used it to load 3/4 and 7/8 for kids with light recoil. 13 grains, with 9 shot. I had to use a 20 filler wad for the 3/4 load.

    goatskin you can squad with me. BTW I got the light loads from Alliant.

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  12. Neil Winston

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    Bob, I found a box of 7/8 oz loads which went about 1200 fps. The hull was AA, the primer Federal 209a, and the wad one of these amazingly complicated Italian jobs, probably a gift from Ron Baker.


    The powder weight was 16 grains and the bushing was a 21!


    Neil
     
  13. goatskin

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    Ajax, Neil ... thanks a bunch.

    16gn in a AA will be abt 17gn in a FGM with one of those Italian wads ... fits ... perfect!


    Bob
     
  14. goatskin

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    Yup ... the recipe was where it is supposed to be.

    Using a mixture of Cheddite and Fiocchi hulls, and T-2, G-1227 and VP-05 wads; F209A primer, 17.2gn & 25g of hard 8s, chrono readings ranged between 1280 & 1320, giving a 'real' velocity of ±1275 (or so) out of a 28" IC barrel.

    Thanks, all.


    Bob
     
  15. Jerry944t

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    Most shotgun powders are used in pistols. Most pistol powders can be used in shotguns.

    Nothing but published recipes for sure but the required burning rates for both disciplines are similar.

    For instance 4.0 grains of Clays behind a 200 grain SWC bullet is an excellent 45ACP load. Accurate and clean, it is very popular.
     
  16. Rimfirejim

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    Goatskin; does your book have any loads for 2400 powder? I use the .410 load already. Have a bunch to use up. Thanks for update on bullseye. Jim
     
  17. goatskin

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    Ben Amonette and I finally got to talk yesterday, and I gave him my results and the process by which I got there, and he kissed it. He said anywhere between 16 & 17.5gn would work fine with 7/8oz, but he wasn't real confident the smaller drops would cycle an auto, and it was liable to be a little smoky, regardless.

    I told him that between shots, I pointed my barrels down to let the clinkers fall out, and besides, I cleaned my guns once every couple of years, whether they needed it or not.

    Jim, I'll look in my old Lymans and such, but you might go over to the reloading boards on SGW and search the archives. There have been at least a couple of threads on 2400 that I remember.


    Bob
     
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