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Break down at the line.....how much time allowed?

Discussion in 'Shooting Related Threads' started by himark, Sep 15, 2011.

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  1. himark

    himark Well-Known Member

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    Shooting a couple weeks ago I broke a spring in my Perazzi. It is a quick fix and I had the spring and tool in my bag. BUT, in a hurry I fumbled with it for what seemed like a eternity to me but was actually not very long. It brings up the question of "how much time is a shooter officially allowed to walk off line and come back?"
     
  2. jdsfarms

    jdsfarms Well-Known Member

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    This should be fun ;o) I have had it happen many times and have always left it up to the shooter,if it's not a reasonably quick fix or just going to grab a different gun they have always told the squad to go on without them and it's never been a problem I don't see any need to set a time limit.Jerry
     
  3. V10

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    Depends on what the program says, if it says anything at all about it.
     
  4. Calkidd

    Calkidd Well-Known Member

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    I have heard about 15 minutes, but like it was said it depends on the squad and how tolerant they want to be.

    Bryan
     
  5. Big Heap

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    It's a non-issue
     
  6. hmb

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    Competitors make up the rules as they go along? Interesting. HMB
     
  7. Mark425

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    Seems like the easiest and most polite thing is to drop out of the squad. Even a 5 minute delay is usually unnecessary. Go fix your gun or retrieve a backup at your leisure, joining another later squad is almost always an option. Happened to me once and I did just that...no stress to me or my squadmates. They thanked me later for causing minimum disruption.
     
  8. Anthony.L

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    Making the squad wait for you to repair your gun is unacceptable and selfish in my mind. In other words I don't want to wait on someone else in the squad, so I wouldn't ever make a squad wait on me.

    I had this happen last week, shooting in a squad and I have issues with one of the lens keep popping out of my shooting glasses. I decide to pull out and go get a backup pair. I told the squad to continue, and rejoined them later missing a few shots but would rather miss a couple birds than make them wait.
     
  9. MisterHappy

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    I understand that there's "professional (Amateur?) courtesy" involved here, but is there a hard and fast rule (ATA); is it up to the printed rules in the Shoot program, or the discretion of the Shoot Mgt.?

    I had a breakdown this year, but my son was on the station next to me, so I was able to finish the round by sharing; then, for the next round, one of the guys "on deck" loaned me his, so I was able to continue missing.

    In the end, there was no real delay, but if i'd had a back-up, it would have been 15 minutes to get back and forth to the car. My score was truly going to be irrelevant in any non-Lewis way, but I wondered if you can "jump squads" to shoot the final 25, so that you don't plug up the works.

    I know that I'd have no problem in permittingit in any of the small shoots I run, but in the "big leagues", things are often different.....
     
  10. BIGDON

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    5 minutes. Generally accepted time limit.

    Don
     
  11. BigM-Perazzi

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    Agree with Don. Reasonable time. No worse than someone forgot their shells, glasses, gun.

    And, he gets to see a target when he gets back!
     
  12. Robb

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    Happened to a guy on my squad at the last Cardinal shoot. P gun trigger spring. He told puller he had the part in his car and she told him he got 5 minutes. He fixed gun in less than 5 and all was well. The rest of squad was done and he had one shot to go. We didn't mind the wait at all as we were getting ready for next trap.
     
  13. scott calhoun

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    To answer the OP . . . there is no rule in the ATA rulebook regarding at time limit for gun repairs (or for holding a squad for a missing person for that matter).

    Sometime clubs publish a rule in their program (squads will be held for 3 minutes for missing shooters, etc), but in the absense of an ATA rule it's up to the squad or shoot management to make the determination.

    Scott
     
  14. WoodsonEnt

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    Long enough for me to get my Perazzi spare trigger group.
     
  15. miketmx

    miketmx Well-Known Member

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    At many clubs where I shoot if the repair takes longer than a few minutes the guy drops out temporarily and re-joins his squad for subsequent sub-events and finishes the interrupted sub-event on a practice trap with a puller/referee.
     
  16. trufan

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    Himark, I think the club you shoot at most of the time cannot tolerate a P-gun breaking down at all!! ;) trufan.
     
  17. daddiooo

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    Agree with BigDon & Big M Perazzi. Most times it's about 5 minutes. (squad willing) If it's a Perazzi spring & you have parts in your shooting bag or spare trigger group no problem. Loose comb...about a minute of two if you have the tools and the hardware isn't broken. Anything else....excuse yourself and let the squad continue. Professional Trap etiquette is greatly appreciated.

    Someone should write a book on what is and is not acceptable before taking the line, on the line and behind the line.

    JMHO.
     
  18. hmb

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    That someone is the ATA and it is called the rule book. HMB
     
  19. bigdogtx

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    Don't mean to hijack the thread, but,,,,if the repair can be made during, let's say the first 25; can or should he rejoin to finish the event????
     
  20. Jim Porter

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    Boy them P guns! You just don't get much for 12 grand! LOL
     
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