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Break 199 Singles....Lower Your Average !!!!

Discussion in 'Shooting Related Threads' started by Uncle Sam, Aug 28, 2009.

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  1. Uncle Sam

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    So...Diamond Dave Shaeffer Jr. goes to a shoot and breaks a 199x200 in the singles event......HIS 16yd. AVERAGE GOES DOWN !!!!....Ya gotta admire a situation like that !!!.............Uncle Sam, Pa.
     
  2. Vernal Rod & Gun

    Vernal Rod & Gun Active Member

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    What?! You have got to be kidding.A 199x200 Lowered his avg? How can the rest of us compete with that? Perhaps to make Trapshooting more user friendly we should penalize David into AAAA class or designate him a Pro. That way we can all feel better about ourselves and our less than adequate performances. I know, once a shooter makes it to a certain level of expertise ( thru hard work and dedication to the sport) we can make that shooter shoot with his/ her off hand. That ought to do the trick. Good luck shooting lefty next year Dave! ONLY JOKING.... I had the opportunity to watch Dave as he broke the 200 in the Clay Target to get over 2000 straight... smooth as glass. Not that I ever will but if I ever got close to that I'd probably be shaking like a leaf... Hope nobody freaks out too much over the first part of the post... just having some fun with the folks on some of the other threads. Again David good shooting this year and good luck next. Sean Hawley
     
  3. Uncle Sam

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    The new record long run of singles of 2196 sure is something...but...just as impressive is the long run in doubles of over 1000....some guy from Southern California...I heard he moved to Utah....can't remember who it was. Rumors have it he also had a doubles average of over 99 one year or more. So...how about he breaks a 99 in doubles and lowers his average !!! YIKES !! WHO could do such a thing ????...........Uncle Sam, Pa.
     
  4. oleolliedawg

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    Top shooters are expected to break 200 straight Singles. Average shooters expect to break fewer and do. That's why we have classes in Singles.

    Hmm, top shooters are now breaking 99's and 100's regularly in Handicap. Does this mean we need to put them in a separate class and only shooting for their own money like we do in Singles?

    I see more than a few getting real jobs in the near future!!
     
  5. motowheelguy

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    Oh no.....better change singels to have a pro class....lol. I'm lucky if I can stay awake for 200 let alone run 2000+.
     
  6. puablo

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    JR,
    Your dad's an ole toughie! Plus he can sing pretty good too! puablo
     
  7. oleolliedawg

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    I won't mention any names but I know at least one of those excellent shooters was also an outstanding "trap reader". For those among us who fail to understand what that says, it means he seldom shot many angles!!
     
  8. shot410ga

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    I have always thought there should be a pro-class. Anyone who derives any income from Trapshooting other than typical wagering during a shoot, should be considered a PROFESSIONAL. No exceptions.
     
  9. Grayson Mayne

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    Shot410ga you might want to reconsider that last post about who can shoot ATA. You cast a very wide net with that statement. There is a big difference between deriving any remuneration from trapshooting and deriving remuneration from shooting trap.
     
  10. shot410ga

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    Mayne: Let me make myself clear. If one earns money owning/running a club, teaches trapshooting for profit, or in any way earns income as it directly relates to trapshooting in as it relates to an ATA event, they are a PROFFESSIONAL'S. The ATA use to have an "Industry Class" that's where these people should be.
     
  11. Vernal Rod & Gun

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    Wow, I guess thats me shot410ga. I run a gun club and I give lessons. Well if we are going down that road how about we make all of the vendors that sell merchandise and fix our guns at the shoots "pros" as well. Then we can keep carefull track of monies won, anyone making more than they paid at a shoot should also be put into the "pro" class. Lets not forget about added money and hey trophies are worth something too aren't they? By the time we get done shot410ga will be in a very small group... get a life. Go shoot some practice, take a lesson and pay your dues. The shooters who you wish to kick out have done all of this, that is why they shoot better than you. Sean Hawley
     
  12. ebsurveyor

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    We don't need a pro class. We don't need 30 yards. Just give people like me more reductions. Everyone will be happy until 24 yarders start winning the major shoots.
     
  13. Charlie Becknell

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    If you like to play the money, play it. If you don't want to play the money, don't play the money. If you play the money and don't win, that is your problem. It seems pretty simple to me. If someone else plays the money,it does not affect my shooting. I shoot for me . The "Pros" have never made me miss a target (but with their advice I may have broken a few more than I deserve). I actually like to see the "Big Boys " show up, if I can whup one of them even for a day, I like it.

    Charlie Becknell
     
  14. oleolliedawg

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    EB, I've voluntered to be the "sacrificial lamb" and return to the 21yd. line many times. So far, no one from the "powers that be" have accepted my proposal. I feel I can compete with Leo often enough to be unafraid of playing the money again at that yardage. Some people actually believe if I play enough rounds of Golf I eventually could beat Tiger. Those same people believe if I practice enough Trap I'll one day beat Ray regularly.

    Both you and I understand they know little about either game!!
     
  15. shot410ga

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    SEAN: Ya! That means you, too. I enjoy playing the money, and I can afford it. However, only with Amatures. Your group may represent 2% of the shooters or less. But go to a big shoot and see Leo, Sean, Rick, Ray, Dan, ect fleecing all the good local shooters. When Stafford, Leo, and you spend a lot of money to get to the Southern Grand it's not to win a Trophy. It's to fleese the good shooters that come to Florida for the winter. Get real, don't blow smoke.
     
  16. shot410ga

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    Sean: One more thing. Are you claimng your winnings on your income tax? Are you deducting your travel costs to the Southern Grand? If so it a JOB. You are earning money from the sport. ERGO: PROFFESSIONAL. Be sure and file, the IRS wants to know......................LOL
     
  17. Vernal Rod & Gun

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    Hey 410, if you can't stand the heat get out of the fire. All the folks you want to make "pros" pay their money just like anyone else. Just because they have considerably more success than you do ought to be applauded not condemned. None of them came out of the womb breaking 100s. All of them worked hard to gain yardage and increase their classes. All of them have been thru slumps just like you have and every other trapshooter who has ever shot the game has. My suggestion... if you are not competitive at your yardage, take your reductions. Get a lesson, maybe even from one of these "pros"(they might know something that you don't) Set some reachable goals ( short term Mid term and long term). Stop typing on your computer andactually go shoot some practice. Sean
     
  18. Vernal Rod & Gun

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    Actually 410 the IRS does not recognize Trapshooting as an avocation. They term it a hobby. I am allowed to deduct my expences but only until they reach even with my winnings. Can't claim a loss as you can with a business...of course they don't mind taxing me on anything and everything above even. So be it I guess that just the American way. If you win $600 from a shoot you will get a 1099. Ever get one of these? Its the same way as if you win that amount at a casino in vegas. Sean
     
  19. Trap2

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    Sean..... I have to tell you that I agree with you 100% in all your comments. Seems like a lot of shooters want to "drink the cream" without ever milking the cow. I shoot trap just because of guys like you. You're one of the ones I'm chasing after. I may never get there, but, I have set my sights on the path I want to take, and set my goals. Lots of practice, a clinic here and there, watching you guys closely, soaking up all I can to become better. Shooting every registered event I can afford to shoot, and doing my best to learn from my mistakes. The reason you guys are so much better than we are is because you make a lot less mistakes than we do. My committment is to the sport, and how good I want to be. I posted on another thread here regarding 3 hole targets that none of you "big dogs" got a free pass to the top. You all spent the time, money, and effort, not to mention the sacrifices along the way, to get where you are today. I will be the first to applaud your efforts, and your success. Just be carreful and watch over your shoulder cause "I'm coming for you", at least in my mindset, and that's what counts. Less talk, more committment..... Dan Thome (Trap2)
     
  20. Vernal Rod & Gun

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    Thanks Dan. When I started shooting Dan Bonillas and Ray Stafford were the two shooters who were at the very top of the food chain in trapshooting. I was just a kid then and I used to imagine myself in a shoot off with each of them someday. I know exactly where you are coming from... I just don't quite get where some of these other posters reside. What ever happened to working hard to achieve ones goals? Oh well to each his own. Take care and shoot well. Sean
     
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