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Bombshell in the Zimmerman case...

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  1. Brian in Oregon

    Brian in Oregon Well-Known Member

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    Zimmerman Prosecutor Angela Corey Criminally Indicted By Citizens' Grand Jury For Allegedly Falsifying Arrest Warrant And Complaint

    By Larry Klayman

    Published: Tuesday, Jul. 2, 2013 - 5:08 am

    OCALA, Fla., July 2, 2013 -- /PRNewswire/ -- Florida State's Attorney Angela Corey has been indicted by a citizens' grand jury, convening in Ocala, Florida, over the alleged falsification of the arrest warrant and complaint that lead to George Zimmerman being charged with the second degree murder of African-American teenager Trayvon Martin in Sanford, Florida.

    The indictment of Corey, which was handed down last week (see www.citizensgrandjury.com), charges Corey with intentionally withholding photographic evidence of the injuries to George Zimmerman's head in the warrant she allegedly rushed to issue under oath, in an effort to boost her reelection prospects. At the outset of this case, black activists such as Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton, who whipped up wrath against Zimmerman, demanded that he be charged with murder, after local police had thus far declined to arrest him pending investigation.

    Following Corey's criminal complaint charging Zimmerman, legal experts such as Harvard Law Professor Alan Dershowitz condemned her for falsely signing an arrest affidavit under oath, which intentionally omitted exculpatory evidence consisting of the photographs showing the injuries Zimmerman sustained, and rushing to charge him with second degree murder under political pressure. Dershowitz called her actions unethical and themselves crimes.

    Larry Klayman, a former U.S. Justice Department prosecutor, a Florida lawyer since 1977, and now the "citizens' prosecutor" who presided over the Ocala grand jury said this: "The Supreme Court has confirmed that the grand jury belongs to the American people, not the three branches of government. (504 U.S. 36, 48 (1992) (quoting United States v. R. Enterprises, Inc., 498 U.S. 292, 297 (1991)). By indicting Florida State Attorney Angela Corey, the people are exercising their God given rights, recognized by our Founding Fathers, to mete out justice when the political and legal establishment subverts the rule of law. Hopefully, this indictment will serve as a warning to the political and legal establishment that they are not above the law. Ironically, Corey will now be tried and likely convicted for her alleged crimes – which resulted in Zimmerman being charged under false pretenses, now coming home to roost during Zimmerman's on-going trial. Corruption cannot be tolerated, particularly by law enforcement officers who are elected by the people to serve their ends, not the law enforcement officer's political ends."

    Read more here: http://www.sacbee.com/2013/07/02/5539380/zimmerman-prosecutor-angela-corey.html#storylink=cpy
     
  2. Brian in Oregon

    Brian in Oregon Well-Known Member

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    Well, maybe not such a big bombshell.

    The phrase "citizen's grand jury" got me to wondering and I looked it up. It's an ad hoc group with no official govt power.

    Sadly, this will probably go nowhere, regardless of how valid the finding is.
     
  3. slide action

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    Have said all along. She is "dirty" and did this soely for political gain!
     
  4. wireguy

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    My first thought was yea, and absolutely nothing will happen. The corruption in this country has reached a point where we are no longer a free people. The government at every level is corrupt, and if you are unfortunate enough to come to their attention you may expect no justice, and it may well be that the government will spend millions of your own dollars to destroy you.
     
  5. Johnny

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    Just shameful, and from a Republican prosecutor too.

    I see Alan Dershowitz is named in the article. He is a lawyer that this crowd would love to hate. He helped get OJ off the hook and a few other celebrities.
    Alan can save the Zman.
     
  6. cafowler

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    From Wiki,

    On the other hand, Corey was criticized as "irresponsible and reckless" by Alan Dershowitz, a Harvard legal scholar and attorney who served on O.J. Simpson's defense team, for filing a probable cause affidavit that he claims was too thin for a 2nd-degree murder charge; Dershowitz predicted that it would be thrown out by a judge.[23]

    On April 12, 2012, Seminole County Judge Mark Herr found the affidavit legally sufficient to establish probable cause and ordered Zimmerman to appear for his arraignment on May 29, 2012. [24] CNN legal analyst Sunny Hostin stated, "I suspect that there is some evidence we just don't know about, because no prosecutor in a high-profile case wants to walk into court and not be able to prove each and every count beyond a reasonable doubt".[22]

    Some critics, including Dershowitz, believe that Corey, an elected official, treated her press conference as a sort of campaigning opportunity. A Reuters article also indicates that some of Zimmerman's neighbors who claimed they saw signs of injury on Zimmerman the day after the shooting "said they spoke to Sanford police and the FBI in their investigations but did not recall speaking to the office of special prosecutor Angela Corey".[25] On the other hand, US attorney and legal analyst Kendall Coffey referred to Corey's presentation as "masterful" and that she made "a very compelling statement about her commitment to victims... So, if you were scoring that press conference, I give it an A plus".[26]

    In response to his harsh criticism, Dershowitz claims Corey called Harvard Law School and, "threatened to sue the institution, get me disciplined by the Bar, and made accusations of libel and slander".[27]
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    From the footnote 27 above.

    Dershowitz: Zimmerman prosecutor ranted against Harvard
    4:17 p.m. EST, June 6, 2012|By Jeff Weiner, Orlando Sentinel

    Famed attorney and legal commentator Alan Dershowitz has been one of the harshest critics of State Attorney Angela Corey's approach to prosecuting George Zimmerman. According to Dershowitz, Corey is none too pleased.

    Writing on Newsmax.com, the Harvard Law School professor says Corey called the school and went on "a 40-minute rant, during which she threatened to sue Harvard Law School, to try to get me disciplined by the Bar Association and to file charges against me for libel and slander."

    When the school explained Dershowitz has a right to express his opinions, Corey "persisted in her nonstop whining," he writes, "claiming that she is prohibited from responding to my attacks by the rules of professional responsibility."

    Dershowitz has been critical of Corey since she charged Zimmerman with second-degree murder in April. He says the affidavit she filed to support that charge omitted key facts and contained "half truths."

    A Corey spokeswoman declined to comment on the Newsmax column.

    Dershowitz's post doesn't say when exactly Corey's call occurred. A Harvard Law School spokeswoman didn't return a call seeking comment.

    Dershowitz says Corey, in her affidavit, "willfully omitted all information" about injuries Zimmerman suffered in his conflict with 17-year-old Trayvon Martin. He said Corey denied having an obligation to include that information.

    "She should go back to law school, where she will learn that it is never appropriate to submit an affidavit that contains a half truth, because a half truth is regarded by the law as a lie, and anyone who submits an affidavit swears to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth," Dershowitz wrote.

    Dershowitz has ripped Corey repeatedly.

    The affidavit, he said in a television interview, "is not only thin, it's irresponsible." He described Corey's announcement of the charge as "a campaign speech for re-election" and later wrote that she has been "anything but ethical, lawful and professional" in prosecuting the case.

    In an appearance on Fox News, he went a step further: If Corey knew about Zimmerman's injuries, he said, "This affidavit submitted by the prosecutor in the Florida case is a crime... It's a perjurious affidavit."

    However, he says Corey's went too far in her response to his criticism.

    "The idea that a prosecutor would threaten to sue someone who disagrees with her for libel and slander, to sue the university for which he works, and to try to get him disbarred, is the epitome of unprofessionalism," he says.
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    Apparently the FL States' Attorney believes she can sue anyone, including a university and one of their professors for speaking his belief of what the law allows. And folks make fun of CA liberalism, I'm glad she's in FL, but seems she'd fit right into the Camela Harris State Atty Office also. I heard the prosecution will rest their case on Friday, after presenting their last evidence and 2 witnesses. My thought was "that's it??", my reaction to their presentation is that is was a lot of nothing. Maybe one bit of testimony that says there was not Martin DNA on the pistol, which contradicts Zman's statement that Martin grabed or wrestled over the gun. Other than that, seems like a bad Hallmark movie script. I hope the legal due process ends without civil disobediance, too much of that going on these days.
     
  7. JT 27

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    Zimmerman doesn't stand a chance. The community is afraid of the consequences of an acquital, rampant rioting with street violence. No one has yet to show a current photo of "poor little Travon". Let's face it, this guy's goose is cooked, no justice here.
     
  8. straightshooter1

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    First of all this is much ado about nothing. A Judge found the affidavit sufficient to establish Probable Cause to issue a Capias (Arrest Warrant, really). The State's position is that the injuries were minor and, so far, they have at least one Expert Witness who confirms that (regardless whether the witness is right or wrong).

    There's no obligation to include minor details in an Affidavit and I have prepared many of them in my years as a Prosecutor in the State of Florida. I should add that I, personally, would have included the injuries in the Affidavit and, if I believed them to be minor, would have pooh-pooed
    the injuries but the fact that there were injuries would still have been in my Affidavit.

    If the Defense agreed with the lawyer's opinion, then they could have filed various motions in the trial court to seek redress. Apparently, since they did not seek redress, they determined it was not worth the time.

    There is no crime under Florida Law for this act concerning the Affidavit.

    Calling and threatening to sue was silly, IMO. If she really thought she's been slandered, she should have simply asked for a retraction, & if it was not forthcoming, take whatever action (sue, suck it up, or ...) and moved along with the case.

    Secondly, someone said she did this (prosecuted Zimmerman) for political gain. I am at a loss to understand what political gain she might seek from prosecuting Zimmerman. As I have noted before, she is one of the "20 Chinese Warlords," answerable only to the voters in her Circuit.

    Might she desire higher office? Doubtful. No State Attorney would trade their position for a Judgeship since (1) they are paid the same as Circuit Judges, (2) they aren't tied to a courtroom, rather they get to decide who to charge, then send in their Assistants to prove the charges if they can, (3) they have more benefits than a judge, including a car, much travel, much more power, etc.

    I know of only one State Attorney who gave up the position for "higher office," and that was Janet Reno who gave up being a fairly well respected State Attorney in Miami (though she was never a trial lawyer) for the position of Attorney General where she was viewed by a substantial number of people as a horrible person, and largely ignored by the rest. She left Clinton's administration and retired to obscurity.

    I must say she once offered me a position as an Assistant State Attorney in her Office in Miami (before Clinton, Waco and the fallout) and I was really tempted to accept. She was pretty well liked by most everybody at that time. For reasons I can't really recall, I decided to take another offer with another State Attorney and I have been grateful for the wisdom to do that for many years.

    How might a conviction in Zimmerman help Corey? Well, certainly it could make her name almost a household name, and would likely boost her standing with her own voters. But, on the other hand, she has not taken an active part in the trial, rather leaving that to three Assistants whose names, if they are successful in convicting Zimmerman, will be better known than hers. They, not her, will be in a position to seek some other office such as a judgeship (which would be a pay raise for the Assistants) based on their "fame." Or maybe get a gig as a Fox, MSNBC, CNN, contributor. Remember, even the loser prosecutors in OJ enjoyed some of that "fame."

    I think that was intentional on her part to take a back seat, but I admit I am just speculating. I speculate that she realized, as the case progressed towards trial, that it may well be a loser for the State, and elected to take a seat waaaaay in the back.

    If there's a victory for the State, of course, she can still grab the credit for filing the charges.

    Someone else asked if there will be a directed verdict.

    It's not called that here, rather its a Judgment of Acquittal, and IMO there's no chance of that. The best the defense could hope for is that the Judge finds the State has not proved a Prima Facie case of Murder in the Second Degree and JOAs that charge down to Manslaughter. But, given the Judge's allowing some things in evidence for the State, and not allowing others in evidence for the Defense, the chances of that, I think, are somewhere between slim and none.

    Don't count the Prosecutors out yet, as they may "finish strong" as I said we were trained to do in another post. And, of course, it's the jury of 6 women who will make the final decision in the case.

    Bob
     
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    Bob,

    Are you aware that the states expert witness who said Zimmerman's injuries were minor, never examined him or his injuries? HMB
     
  10. W.P.T.

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    There have been a bunch of sweet little Trayvons killed since this incident happened and none of them are being followed by and broadcast like this case ... What was the attraction for the Media whores to jump on this particular case ..? What gives ..? WPT ... (YAC) ...
     
  11. b12

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    The big Z will probably hang for the rest of the licensed gun owners and conservative citizens because their are no one of these chicken coupe groups standing up for him.

    Thier must have been trouble in that neighbor hood or they would not have organized a watch group. Its kinda like I don't want the government in my business but I will take the money and stay quiet. Bill
     
  12. straightshooter1

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    Yes, hmb, and, better for the Defense, she's normally working with dead bodies. I expect the Defense will point out to the jury that anything less than mortal injuries, to her, would be minor. I thought the Defense got some good stuff out of her, though, that it was possible his head could have been slammed on the concrete (or at least his head could have hit the concrete) more than once.

    I believe, though I did not see, the PA or Nurse Practitioner who did treat Zimmerman testified early in the case, but I can't find a reference to it. I was only told that she had by someone else. I would be curious to know if she did testify and if she had an opinion about the seriousness of the injuries.

    Also, I understood his nose was broken. Having been slammed in the snotlocker myself, and suffered a broken nose, I recall it hurt like the dickens. Does anyone know if this testimony has been offered or not.

    If not, probably it will be a part of the defense case.

    hmb-I should have added that it is not unusual, at least in Florida, to have a physician who never examined, for example, the dead body, to testify to his/her opinion about the wounds or cause of death at trial. The other side, whether Prosecution or Defense, can sometimes make hay from the fact that the doc didn't actually see the body, but so often the photos or video are do darn good that it's hard to discredit the witness.

    Bob
     
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    The problem is, there is no proof his nose was broken. It has been stated over, and over that it was. Zimmerman did not want to get X-Rays, or see a specialist.

    I have had a broken nose, and I can tell you that when it happened the blood literally poured from my nose in a steady stream. Even though mine was a side blow, that I had to move my nose back to center on my face, I am surprised that there was not more blood on the front of Zimmerman's clothing, if what he says happened is true, and he in fact did have a broken nose.

    Zimmerman said he got smacked in the nose at the "T", then ran down the center sidewalk to get away from Martin, when doing the walk-through with investigators. In that account he did not say he fell down first, before he ran. When talking of other accounts he had his head beaten on the sidewalk where he fell from being hit in the nose.
     
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    Flyn, You must watch NCIS. Geeze.
     
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    It is irrelevant whether Zimmerman's injuries were "minor"; what matters is that they exist, as shown by photos as well as testimony. They are evidence that Martin's fist made contact with Zimmerman's nose, and that Zimmerman's head made contact with the pavement. Unless some hitherto unknown witness or video surfaces to shed a different light on the situation, they are enough to substantiate Zimmerman's account for any reasonable jury. In fact, putting all the evidence we know of together, so far it is looking like the jury verdict would have to be set aside if it is anything but "not guilty." I suppose it's possible the prosecution is saving some strong evidence for last, but I guess we'll know by the end of the week.

    As for State Attorney Corey, I'm with Dershowitz on this one. Everything I have read suggests she was brought in solely to set aside the findings of the local police and district attorney's office and to get the case filed notwithstanding the evidence supporting Zimmerman's story. It was a cynical political move, made without regard for the lives of the persons who might be affected.

    I think the shooting was a tragedy of errors that could probably have been avoided by better communication ("hey, I'm with Neighborhood Watch, what are you doing?" or, "I'm going back to my father's house, right over there, what's your problem?"), or, especially, more restraint on the part of whoever first made physical contact (so far, all the evidence says that was Martin). But, it happened. And, unless some new evidence surfaces, it would make things even worse to convict Zimmerman of murder and destroy his life just so some people might feel better about a sad situation. There are good reasons why conviction for a crime is supposed to be "beyond a reasonable doubt."
     
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    To the liberals here the truth doesn't matter anyway! The lefty libs want this to be White Guy,(although Zimmerman is Hispanic), kills sweet innocent little black boy! They could give a rip if Zimmerman killed Martin (who was a know street thug) in self defense or not! THEY DO NOT CARE! They all have their liberal agenda and that is ALL that will EVER matter to a liberal! I hope ALL of them have a Travon Martin in their future! Then when he has them down, beating the crap out of them, they show him the SENSITIVITY he deserves!
     
  17. straightshooter1

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    Avatar, very rarely is a jury's verdict "set aside" since the trial judge is the only one who could do that and, if the judge thought there was not enough evidence for the jury to convict, he/she would grant a Judgment of Acquittal.

    As to Corey being brought in for the purposes you suggest, first-the Governor is Scott, who is pretty pro-gun, who set up a commission to review Stand Your Ground to see if it should be changed and, as the antis have suggested, apparently stacked the deck by appointing folks that either wrote the law, supported the law or were firmly Pro-Second Amendment and, what a surprise!

    These folks said Stand Your Ground was just fine.

    Corey, when she was an Assistant State Attorney was a very aggressive homicide prosecutor, known for knowing her business and doing a good job. She was appointed by Scott when the Prosecutor in that Circuit said he had a conflict of interest and begged off (something the State Attorney in Florida can do and can't be second guessed on-he/she says he has a conflict, and the Governor has to find someone to take his place on that case).

    Our Office was appointed on many occasions and I did a number of these types of cases for my State Attorney.

    What most folks don't know is that the Governor doesn't just appoint a Prosecutor to replace the one declaring a conflict. His office calls the prospective appointee and asks if the State Attorney is willing to accept the appointment. If the State Attorney says No, or says he hasn't time, then the Governor has to ask another State Attorney and another and ... until he finds one willing to take the case. The Governor simply doesn't have the power to make a State Attorney do anything.

    Generally, he looks for one close to the Circuit where the case is, since that would make the travel and time out of the office more palatable for the newly appointed State Attorney. Corey is the State Attorney in Jacksonville, not exactly next door to Sanford. Makes me wonder how many calls had to be made to find someone willing to take the case.

    On the other hand, the Governor may have gone to Corey first because of her excellent reputation as a Homicide Prosecutor.

    We'll never know whether she was his first pick or the first one to agree to take the case.

    You are right about the seriousness of the injuries. The fact that he has injuries at all hurts the Prosecution. It gives rise to the argument that Zimmerman was attacked and injured and simply defended himself.

    And, remember, Zimmerman doesn't have to prove anything. All the proving in any criminal case is on the shoulders of the Prosecutor.

    But, for me, the thing to remember is that one never knows what a jury is thinking. They are sequestered and the bailiffs/deputies who handle that, in my experience, really make sure there's very little contact with the outside world. No opportunity to watch TV commentators concerning the case, newspapers "sanitized" to remove any mention of the case, generally no cell phones, or visitors.

    It's miserable for the jury and that's a genuine reason the Judge keeps pushing to get the case done. No one wants the jury to get mad over trial delays when they are kept away from their friends and their family and have them get mad and take their anger out on either the Prosecutor or the Defendant and render a verdict that is not justified by the evidence.

    Tomorrow will be an interesting day, I would think, and it may be that the "finish strong" aspect of the Prosecution's case will involve calling Martin's Mom or Dad or both. I'm shooting in the morning, but hope to be back in time to see the last witnesses.

    Bob
     
  18. Brian in Oregon

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    I had a broken nose and did not even know it until it was discovered until months later. There was no blood. It took reconstructive surgery to fix it.

    So much for blood being a requirement for a broken nose theory.
     
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    Zimmerman prosecutor Angela Corey indicted for falsifying arrest warrant and complaint


    The farmous Harvard Law Professor and attorney Alan Dershowitz has said the case and evidence filed, as well as the lack of competence in filing the case by Corey, demonstrates the complete lack of a case against Zimmerman for Second Degree murder.Dean Chambers | July 3 2013 Florida State's Attorney Angela Corey, who brought the charges against George Zimmerman that started this political show trial that is going on right now, has been indicted by a citizens' grand jury for allegedly falsifying the arrest warrant and complaint against George Zimmerman that started this charade. The arrest and complaint lead to Corey bringing a Second Degree murder charge against Zimmerman.Initially local police had declined to charge Zimmerman because it was entirely clear he had acted in self defense against the thug Trayvon Martin who screamed at him “you're going to die tonight” and according to Rachel Jeantel, called Zimmerman a “creepy as**d cracker.”The farmous Harvard Law Professor and attorney Alan Dershowitz has said the case and evidence filed, as well as the lack of competence in filing the case by Corey, demonstrates the complete lack of a case against Zimmerman for Second Degree murder. The whole trial and the charges are bogus and only were filed to satisfy political pressure to put Zimmerman on trial to placate the politically correct, far left, “civil rights” establishment that demands “justice” for the thug Trayvon Martin, who was clearly in the wrong and tried to kill Zimmerman, and who also had a lengthy criminal record.Advertisement The whole trial is bogus. It should end now and Zimmerman should be freed and Governor Rick Scott should give him an unconditional and full pardon to protect him from further politicized and bogus prosecution. I don't know if indictment by a citizens' grand jury is going to lead to actual criminal prosecution, but it should. Angela Corey should go to jail, not George Zimmerman.http://www.qstarnews.com/a/articletemplate8.cfm?articlenumber=2682 - See more at: http://www.inedc.com/1-5184#sthash.2D05wZOw.dpuf
     
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    Bob,

    Thanks for expert insight into the FL courts. Appreciate your persepective more than a bunch of talking heads on any network. Good luck shooting in the morning.

    Kirk