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Bob Barr....Libertarian

Discussion in 'Uncategorized Threads' started by michmoe, Jun 6, 2008.

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  1. michmoe

    michmoe TS Member

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    Has anyone listened to Bob Barr? I can't bring myself to vote for McCain,he's to far out to the left and out of touch with the American people.I sure as hell would never consider casting my vote for Obama.I've started listening to Bob Barr...and man does he sound good.I know this risk's giving Obama a win,but if everyone would just stop and say I'm tired of voting for the lesser of two evils and vote their conscious,I'm sure Bob Barr would be our next president.He sounds good,and was once a Republican,but I'm not sure of his stance on gun control.Although I believe it should be a good record as I stated he was once a republican and he does believe in the Constitution.O.K., I've vented,now I'm sure those of you who are much wiser then me will be more then happy to set me straight.Wish everyone could have seen him on Glen Beck tonight though.
     
  2. halfmile

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    The Libertarian platform Supports the unrestricted right to the means of self-defense (such as gun rights, the right to carry mace or pepper spray, etc).

    If you do a yahoo or google search of "Libertarian party" you may be pleasantly surprised.

    A much better definition of "meaningful change".

    HM
     
  3. phirel

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    I fit better into the Libertarian party platform than the other major political parties, but I will not vote for Mr. Barr. A vote for Mr. Barr is the same thing as a vote for B. H. Obama.

    Pat Ireland
     
  4. Bisi

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    I've been voting Libertarian for the last 2 presidential elections. It has been easy for me because I'm from Indiana and I've had the luxury of knowing that the Republican was going to carry our state. I will vote the same this year, unless it looks like Obama has any chance at all of winning Indiana, then I will vote for McCain. McCain would be bad Obama would be a disaster, that the country might not be able to recover.
     
  5. shotgunpeople

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    I saw Bob Barr on Glen Beck last night....A very interesting fellow indeed who deserves more public exposure on his opinions about the issues at hand for our country.

    Dave in NY
     
  6. birdogs

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    Pat Ireland,

    I always respect your well considered opinions. However, so what if Obama is elected instead of McCain? Who can tell the difference between them? I have said it elsewhere that America needs a Conservative and we will not likely get one until we hit bottom. I call your attention to Jimmy Carter, the worst president in US history. It took his disasterous administration to bring on the "Reagan Revolution". We need this to happen again or this country is lost. We will become a second-class ecomonic invalid fededing off our former glory.

    There is a choice, unpleasant though it may be, to take a step back in order to make a great leap ahead. With Obama that is a large step backwards but with McCain it is no less a step back.

    Tony C
     
  7. BIGDON

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    If Barr wanted to be President he should of got in earlier. All he is doing is disrupting the Republicans and is on an ego trip. Voting for Barr or Paul is the same as voting for Obama. If Obama should win you then can put a Obama bumper sticker on your car "I helped take away your guns". McCain may not be the disired choice but he is all we got in this race, make your statements other ways.

    Don
     
  8. michmoe

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    Big Don...I'm not so unsure that Bob Barr hasn't been in for quite awhile,just overlooked by the liberal media.If either McCain or Obama win's its a win-win situation for the Lib's.Or another possibility could be that because he doesn't take money from the special interest groups he couldn't have afforded to get in earlier.
     
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    I think the idiots that we keep putting in Congress are far more of a diaster to our liberties than any President. Without them writing laws that take our rights and money, we all would be better off.
     
  10. michmoe

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    By Libs I meant Liberals....not libertarians
     
  11. phirel

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    Tony C- I have though a lot about the idea you posted above and I do not disagree with you. My personal problem is gambling on 4-8 years of disaster for the possibility of several good years in the future. I am not too far away from doing what you suggested, but I am not quite there yet.

    It would be difficult for me to come up with worse candidates than the major parties apparently will nominate.

    I trust McCain with Supreme Court nominations more than I trust McCain. Now for some thoughts that greatly disturb me. Based on age statistics, which are difficult to apply to specific individuals, there is a good chance McCain would not be able to complete two 4 year terms. Who will be his Vice President? I am almost at the extreme position to conclude the VP nominees will be more important then the presidential nominees. This election will be a great mess.

    Pat Ireland
     
  12. skeet100

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    I'm voting for Barr...............

    If Republicans wanted to earn my vote they have had 8 years, they have done very little to convence me they are better than Clinton.
     
  13. Tripod

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    Well, if Obama gets elected, and the odds makers say he will, we will be at the mercy of Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid as leaders and they will pretty much get their way with whatever they want. At least McCain will not go along with all of their hair brained socialist agenda. And I also agree with Pat that the Supreme court nominations tend to be very inportant. One thing to be said is that it appears that Bush gave us a couple judges that should pay dividends for years to come. The next ones are likely to be even more influential if done right. Barr, is an independent will take votes from McCain and we don't need to lose any. Libertarians will not work in the welfare state we now have.
     
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    If the republicans seriously valued your libertarian oriented vote, they would adopt more of the libertarian platform. As it is now, they place no value on libertarian oriented voters. So if the small percentage of votes that go libertarian do make a difference in the outcome, then shame on the republicans for not bringing the libertarians under the tent (rather than shame on the libertarians for not voting for a candidate they do not support).

    There is absolutely no way to make an entrenched party consider change other than to make them realize that without you, they are out of power. I would bet that the republicans will have to actually BE OUT OF POWER before they can accept change. Just like I think the democrats will eventually be forced to stop the liberal insanity as last centuries radicals die off.
     
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    Putting aside the "candidate" Bob Barr for the moment...does anyone know what the Libertarian "party" believes about immigration? I mean, once you get past the usual rhetoric about reducing the amount of social services available as bait?


    When you get down to it, Libertarianism basically professes open borders.


    Sure...they will dance around the issue a bit, and say, "Well, the first thing you have to do is reduce the amount of social services available, then the illegals wouldn't have as much incentive to come here." But that's not the same as saying they shouldn't be _allowed_ to come here.
     
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    Most Americans want to be taken care of, just like the people in Europe. One ends up paying 65-75% of their income to the feds, like some countries in Europe, and they are taken care of from birth to death. Obama has promised to go in this direction, and he will if elected. Obama is just another step in a series of steps to bring America on par with Europe, in terms of socialism. If you don't think it's going to happen, you're living in never-never land.
     
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    I don't think the Libertarian platform includes free services for illegal immigrants.

    I don't think they have an amnesty program.

    I think CITIZENS of this country should be the only people with access to taxpayer funded programs, and I doubt if the Libertarian party believes otherwise.

    Among outside political watchers, some consider Libertarians to be conservative (primarily because of their support of the right to bear arms and because of their views on taxes and states' rights); while others consider them liberal because of their advocacy of a non-interventionist foreign policy, the repeal of drug prohibition, and the elimination of laws that interfere with private consensual acts (such as prostitution and gambling). Libertarians consider themselves neither conservative nor liberal; rather, they believe they represent a unique philosophy that is all their own.

    In other words, buzzgun is stirring the pot again.

    HM
     
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    Voting for Bob Barr is just another repeat election that gave us Bill Clinton when Perot ran as an independent. Why do we need to repeat that experience? What is more shocking to me is why we are unable to attract the best of the best for the President of our country.

    I do not understand this infatuation with Europe that Obama wants us to adopt. They have far more significant problems than the US, fighting huge numbers of unemployed workers. Currently they are rioting all over Europe because of the high cost of fuel and face really significant challenges for home heating oil this winter.

    The USA - saving Europe since 1917.

    Mike
     
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    It comes down, again, to the lesser of two evils. For me it's the SUPREME COURT APPOINTMENTS. It will be bad enough that we will likely have a democrat controlled Congress and they will be putting forth all kinds of anti-gun bills as well as tax increases so we don't need to give them a Supreme Court that will uphold all of their hairbrained CHANGE. Hold your nose and vote McCain and hope we can take the Congress back over the next 4 years then it won't really matter who is President. JRM
     
  20. bill1949

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    I'd like to vote for Barr but it will just put Osama Obama in office. Can you imagine the Supreme Court Justices that scum bag will appoint? How do you like the thought of Justice Hillary? Not worth the risk for me...Bill
     
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