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bloopers with green dot powder

Discussion in 'Shooting Related Threads' started by Trap37, Feb 25, 2013.

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  1. Trap37

    Trap37 TS Member

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    I am shooting in a winter skeet league and using the same load that I use for trap singles.
    I am using 19 grs. green dot,win.209 primer, claybuster cb1100-12 wad in remington sts hulls. About half of my shells are bloopers. Is this not a good cold weather load?
     
  2. Scott Johnson

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    Between cold weather and maybe wad? Not sure as I like the Downrange wads so I cannot say for sure. Keep your shells inside when you are not shooting to keep them warm. Scott
     
  3. nm3

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    I'm using 19.5 grains Alliant Green Dot, Remington Gun Club hulls, Remington Fig 8 Wads, 1&1/8 number 8 lead & CCI 209 presently in the Winter shoots at my club without any trouble at all.
     
  4. headhunter

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    Hulls wet before you reloaded?
     
  5. skeet_man

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    What pressure level are you at? Green Dot doesn't like low pressures.
     
  6. mike campbell

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    There's nothing wrong with the recipe. You have a reloading issue....did the hulls hit the ground? could they be wet inside? otherwise, it's cocked wads or very light charges. You'd have to be dropping < 17 grains with that recipe to get a blooper. Check your powder drops.

    If you're using a MEC, first check to make sure that the charge bar travels the full distance each and every time. I have a half dozen presses, load up hundreds of shells in a batch, and don't shoot a whole lot of 20 gauge. Bottom line, I struggled with bloopers for an entire year before I finally discovered that the charge bar travel was variable.

    If that's not the issue, then you need to check your powder drops. Either by cutting open 10 rounds (especially if you have a bunch loaded up) and weighing the charges (and checking for cocked wads) or by loading a couple boxes and pulling every 5th round as you go and weighing the powder cahrge. If half of them have been bloopers, you shouldn't have to examine more than 10 rounds to find the cause.

    If it turns out to be variable charges, then you have to figure out why. I'd start by emptying the powder bottle and setting the powder aside. Check the bar and baffle if you use one for an obstruction....could be a pheasant feather, a piece of string or even grass. If you can't find the obvious cause, put everything back together, put fresh powder in the bottle and start over.

    AGAIN...there's nothing wrong that recipe. With good technique you should never get a blooper with it, and that's assuming it's 1 ounce. Even less likely if you're loading 1 & 1/8.
     
  7. Scott Johnson

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    Since Mike brought it up, it got me thinking. With Green Dot unless you are checking a powder drop through a MEC once in a while, you are more likely than not to be dropping short charges. Normally I am one bushing larger to get the weight it says, sometimes two larger. With out a good scale you are loading blind, some powders are real close to bushing chart, some are not. YMMV Scott
     
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    Use a Remington wad. HMB
     
  9. Trap37

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    Thanks guys, I have checked all the obvious things that i can think of. The hulls are once fired from last summer so I know they are not wet. I am loading them on a P & W 800+ reloader using a hornady # 458 bushing that drops 18.8 to 19.2 grs consistently. According to the to the lyman reloading handbook the psi is 9000. I have not cut any shells apart to check if the wad is cocked, but I will before I load any more.
     
  10. Scott Johnson

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    1 oz or 1 1/8 oz? Next thing is what primer and lastly keep your shells in a warm spot until you use them. Scott
     
  11. Dr.Longshot

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    Candle your shells hold them up to a bright light and look at the wad, you will see a cocked wad


    Gary Bryant
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  12. Grade VI

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    Try some magnum primers for winter time shooting...... either CCI 209 M or Federal 209 A. I shoot Green Dot all winter and never have a problem.
     
  13. Border Bandit

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    Green Dot+Cold weather = bloopers. Switching to Federal primers will prolly work; but I just said screw it & switched to International Clays and the problem went away.
     
  14. Frank C

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    Dump the clay buster wads, go with fig 8's
     
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    Make sure the shells are warm.

    I read an article in some trapshooting magazine about a year ago about a guy that shot with the writer of the article in a winter league. His shells always sounded like crap so he gave him a bunch of his shells to shoot the next week. Next week rolls around and the guys shells sound exactly the same like crap. The writer ask the guy why he is not shooting the shells he gave him that always sound fine for him. The guy says he is shooting them.

    The only difference was the guy that wrote the article kept his shells inside and then took them to the range. The other guy would put the shells in his car the night before and it was parked outside all night and day.

    So you can't just warm them up by bringing them in for 10 minutes either.

    Also some powders are also smaller and can get past some wads. Green Dot should not be one of them though. If the loader is throwing everything correctly just look at how you are storing the shells in the 24 hours before you shoot them. It might make a big difference.
     
  16. Barry C. Roach

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    If you let the shells get real cold (like leaving them in the trunk or the back of the truck) you will have misfires. Keepem' as warm as possible 'til you're ready to shoot them ..... however, is that enough green dot for your purpose. I'd use Red Dot load.
     
  17. Beretta Young Gun

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    Myself and at least 3 other shooters have noticed a problem with greendot, especially this winter. I tried some as a cheaper alternative to solo 1000 after I was gettung bloopers out of solo. I tried both powders in multiple configurations of wads, primers, hulls, and shot weight but continued to get at least 1 blooper out of every 5 shells. Wads weren't cocked, powder and shot weights were dead on.

    I've been shooting solo 1000 for the last 5 years and have never ever experianced this problem until this winter, I am absolutly baffled. And its the same with the greendot shooters. One of them has been loading greendot for 30+ years without problem. I switched to 700x using tge same components as my old stand by solo 1000 shell and the bloopers stopped.

    Try to explain that one. BYG
     
  18. wayneo

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    Your load sounds good. You could try a different wad, and do you have enough crimp depth? I've never had a problem with Green Dot in NE Indiana.

    If I have to keep my shells in my truck all day at a shoot, I put them in a insulated lunch box and throw a couple of hand warmers in there.

    Wayne
     
  19. shot410ga

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    It's most likely your primers, in conjunction with GD if you leave the shells in the very cold temps overnight, you will get bloopers. Buy some Federals 209's and RD or 700X, you may have better luck.
     
  20. sptnclays

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    As said above, slow powder needs more fire to light so switch to a hotter primer or to a faster burning powder.
    I hope to solve the problem soon by moving away from cold weather!
     
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