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Black Winchester AA Hulls??

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  1. JoeS

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    When I got home from the range yesterday and was sorting through some free dumpster-dived hulls I ran across a couple of Winchester 12GA AA hulls that were black. I've loaded for years and have seen and loaded a lot of different ones, but I had never seen black AA's. They are marked with the older style writing with the AA "boxed in" and were a handicap 7 1/2 trap load, with W-W on the brass base (Winchester Western). They are the one piece compression formed type just like the old standard ones, not the throw aways. I have only seen and loaded the red and light grey in the older ones and red and dark grey in the new style for 12GA. I figured you guys could satisfy my curiosity. Thanks, Joe.
     
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    When I got home from the range yesterday and was sorting through some free dumpster-dived hulls I ran across a couple of Winchester 12GA AA hulls that were black. I've loaded for years and have seen and loaded a lot of different ones, but I had never seen black AA's. They are marked with the older style writing with the AA "boxed in" and were a handicap 7 1/2 trap load, with W-W on the brass base (Winchester Western). They are the one piece compression formed type just like the old standard ones, not the throw aways. I have only seen and loaded the red and light grey in the older ones and red and dark grey in the new style for 12GA. I figured you guys could satisfy my curiosity. Thanks, Joe.
     
  3. Vince McNamara

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    Those hulls are from the late 60s or early 70s.

    Vince McNamara
     
  4. Trapshooter

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    Actually middle to late 70's they were made for the super handicap loads. Todd
     
  5. Ed Y

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    They also had a different configuration, stiffer, wad for reloading.

    Ed Yanchok
     
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    They were the first "super handicap" shells I remember that were produced by any shell manufacturer. They were made in the late 1970's.

    Pat Ireland
     
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    I even have a few unopened full boxes of those stashed somewhere!!
     
  8. Fast Oil

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    Could have been 1 1/4oz International? Old wobble trap load! Think I have 1 somewhere along with a 12 & 20 ga Wanda.
     
  9. JoeS

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    Thanks for the responses guys. I kind of guessed they were from the 60's or 70's guessing by the style of writing on the hull and stampings on the base. In all the thousands of hulls I've picked up at the range and thousands upon thousands I've loaded I'm surprised I haven't run across these before. I always separate my hulls out by type so I doubt one would have slipped by me. Anyway, I'll save these with my collection of shooting stuff. Have a great one. Joe.
     
  10. Marco Polo

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    They were the first super Handicap shells. You loaded them with a "Winchester Handicap" wad and WW473AA powder when the regular AA's were loaded with 452AA powder. Only problem with them was they CRACKED full length after just a few loadings. Winchester guy said the black dye made the cases brittle.
     
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    I had some black hulls a couple years ago and I loaded em up with the original XW Handicap wads. They broke targets alright but that wad made em kick like a mule compared to the regular AA wad. The black hulls were old and brittle and the crimp mouth split easily so I discarded them after the 2nd reload.
     
  12. Bruce Specht

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    I have about 200 hundred of the Black AA Handicap hulls once fired. As well as about 2000 that I've loaded several time they are great at handicap but can be a bit hard on the shoulder. I shoot them out of my 1100 makes them comfortable to shoot. They reload longer than the red AAs that I've loaded over the years. I don't shoot the black for practice just when I'm in a competiton.
     
  13. oldgahchamp

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    I shot a lot of these in my BT 99 for 16 yards back in the early 70s. ( no wonder I developed a flinch ) They were lettered "handicap" but I don't remember them saying " super handicap " I'll look through my boxes of stuff I'll never sell and see if I can find some. They were also available in 1-1/4 oz international loads back in the days when you could shoot modified international at many state shoots and the Grand? Larry Evans
     
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    Yes, there was an event at the Grand for Modified Trap. I don't remember if you were allowed to shoot int. loads though.It was at a mid yardage too. Maybe 19 yd? AA Handicap was the name of the shell. Came in 3dr 8's and 3dr. 7 1/2's.They also had a Red AA handicap hull with silver writing. It was the handicap shell WAY before the famous Super Handicap.I have one hull each in Red and Black. I forget the loads printed on the hulls though. I have to dig them out if anybody cares.
     
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    My Win turkey loads are black hulls but they are 3 1/2" mags, check out there web site, maybe someone was shooting copper, tungsten etc.
     
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    When I dig down in my barrel of hulls, every once in a while I come up with one of those old black AA's. Circa mid 70's, shot a bunch of them back then. Heck of a good hdcp shell. I guess I should rotate this drum a bit mor often.

    Big Jack
     
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    I have some old Winchester AA's that are black, but mine are stamped black diamond. Has anyone seen these?
     
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    JRD, I have one 10 pack here in the collection. They were made in Italy. Not sure of the year or years.

    The box is marked "target load" but from the looks of the HIGH brass base( I know that really doesn't matter) the target better have wings and be trying to get out of the ring.

    AJ100
     
  19. Bruce Specht

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    Dick, I noticed that the older Red AA would split at the crimps far quicker than the AA blacks. Glad I'm not the only one that found that the hulls loaded longer. Using the blacks saved on candle wax for open crimps
     
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