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Black Boxes In Your Car. Good or Bad??????

Discussion in 'Off Topic Threads' started by Auctioneer, Dec 8, 2012.

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  1. Auctioneer

    Auctioneer Well-Known Member

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    Obama is passing another one of his BS laws. This one is to put a BLACK BOX in every car from 2019 on. The black box will be like the airline planes black box. Its just another device to spy on you and another personal privacy gone.

    I for one say NO to it.
     
  2. CharlieAMA

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    Don't worry, your won't be able to afford a new car in 2019 anyway. The way he is taking us, we'll be riding camels, donkeys, bicycles, and mo-peds.
     
  3. Bisi

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    Charlie, I don't think most of us will be riding anything. I think we will be pulling rickshaws........ The private rich in the future will be riding bicycles. The public lords and government workers will be driving whatever luxury car the Chinese produce.
     
  4. Brian in Oregon

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    You'll be rationed mileage and fuel anyway.
     
  5. Joe Potosky

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    if you drive a newer car, chances are there’s already some kind of black box logging your actions, something that most consumers are blissfully unaware of. Today, The Detroit News tells us, 91.6 percent of light-duty autos utilize black boxes, so the latest directive would merely take that to 100 percent.


    Black boxes in automobiles are really nothing new. General Motors began capturing data as far back as 1990, and event data recorders became standard in GM products during the 1995 model year. Ford uses them, as do Toyota, Tesla and Mazda, but standardization of the data captured won’t occur until the 2013 model year.


    Beginning with 2013 vehicles, the black boxes will measure 15 specific values in a common format, making it easier for first responders and crash investigators to access and interpret the data. Therein lies the concern of critics who oppose capturing such data: if it exists, what’s to stop insurance companies from subpoenaing the information to deny accident claims?


    Expect ownership of the data to become a point of concern once the new regulations take effect. While we may be safe from law enforcement wirelessly accessing data from black boxes (for the near future, anyway), we know one thing for certain: insurance companies aren’t in the business of losing money, and if such data can be used to pad profits, chances are good insurers will find a way to do so.


    http://www.csmonitor.com/Business/In-Gear/2012/1208/New-cars-will-have-black-boxes-White-House-says
     
  6. CharlieAMA

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    Kinda like what trucks have now - electronic logbooks, auto shut down, GPS etc.
     
  7. 682LINY

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    our buses all have black boxes and many have onboard cameras too
     
  8. Steve W

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    Just be careful who is in your passenger seat, traffic cameras will send HD photos to you with time & location of you didn't make a stop before you turn on red.
     
  9. Bruce Specht

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    Not to take Obummers side in this but you may have a blk box in your car and not know it. Bad idea to much big brother in our lives now, once again soem things they can take care of us better than we can and their out to prove it.
     
  10. WilcoxBird Dog

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    They had them in pickups in Alabama for a while. Most common last words were " hold my beer and watch this."
     
  11. Jerbear

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    If your car has air bags, chances are good you have an EDR.

    Jerbear
     
  12. AveragEd

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    Where do you think Progressive Insurance's "Snapshot" gets its data? It plugs into the Assembly Line Data Link (ALDL) connector to the Powertrain Control Module (PCM) and Body Control Module (BCM) in all 1996 and newer vehicles. The PCM stores data on acceleration, braking, average speed, maximum speed and other parameters while the BCM does the same for air bags, seat belt usage and other body-related functions. "Snapshot" basically is the memory portion of a scan tool.

    Ed
     
  13. trim tab

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    Just another way that the goverenment is getting more involved in running your life.
     
  14. CharlieAMA

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    My 1909 Pierce-Arrow doesn't have one either. Of course, that could change by Executive Order.
     
  15. Brian in Oregon

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    Zardozforty, quote: <i>"Locomotives have them, and I think they're used to monitor speeds and the engineers tendency to operate within the rules.

    One friend, with more than forty years on the job, was called in and given a warning about speed in a curve coming down the valley."</i>

    Even back in the days of steam some railroads installed speed recorders in their locomotives. These simply traced the speed on a roll of graph paper. Northern Pacific, just for one example, installed paper roll speed recorders in many of their diesel locomotives.

    Great Northern, on their electric lines in the Cascade Mountains, had amperage meters installed at control points. Coming down grade, these electric locomotives would use what is called regenerative braking. This is when the traction motors that power the axles are turned into generators, putting current back into the overhead trolley wire. One supervisor knew his job well enough that as long as he knew the tonnage of the train, he could tell by the amperage going back into the wire from regenerative braking how fast the locomotive was going. And some crews got a big surprise when they stopped at the division point and he was there to chew them out for going too fast.
     
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    MOST LATE MODEL CARS HAVE EDR (EVENT DATA RECORDER) IN THE AIRBAG MODULE. CAN
    ONLY BE ACCESSED BY A SPECIAL EDR SCANTOOL AND THE APPROPRIATE WIRING HARNESS TO
    CONNECT DIRECTLY TO THE AIRBAG MODULE. MANUFACTURERS, POLICE DEPTS, AND INSURANCE INVESTIGATORS HAVE THE TOOL. IN MOST STATES THEY MAY ONLY ACCESS THE DATA IF THEY HAVE VEHICLE OWNERS PERMISSION OR A WARRANT. THE AMOUNT OF DIFFERENT DATA RECORDED AND THE RECORDING TIME BEFORE THE DEPLOYMENT "EVENT" VARY BY MANUFACTURER, YEAR AND MODEL. MOST WILL GIVE YOU VEHICLE SPEED, BRAKE PEDAL AND THROTTLE POSITION, ABS/STABILITY CONTROL ACTIVITY, AIRBAG AND SEATBELT
    CINCHER DEPLOYMENT SEQUENCE TIMELINE . ALL OF THE THE INFO DOWNLOADED FROM THE TOOL HAS TO BE ANALYZED AND CAN BE SOMEWHAT SUBJECTIVE AS TO WHAT ACTUALLY OCCURED.
     
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    It all depends on how much she charges.
     
  19. CharlesK80

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    Auctioner wants to have his crash in private. Like most low-information conservatives. He does not know the first gen “spy” box has been in many cars for years. And in trucks. Records vital information of vehicle.

    Next step will really light Auctioner up. The information will be sent by the car to the mfr by sat link and used by the mfr to send message back to the driver about special maintenance needed or a latent problem found in the car. But he thinks it is a bad idea.

    Yep, just big govt again. Brought by that Black guy he hates.

    But Auctioner probably thinks it is just a way for someone to keep track of him. (Like we care.) He does not know his cell phone already does that.
     
  20. Rick Barker

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    "Low information conservatives?"

    K80 you must have lifted that from Rush Limbaugh, who uses "low information voters" to describe all the idiots that voted for Obama.

    You are a closet listener aren't you?

    Do listen to Beck and Hannity too?
     
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