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Birds Eye Maple vs Walnut burl********************

Discussion in 'Shooting Related Threads' started by 682b, Aug 1, 2013.

  1. 682b

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    Some years ago I bought some Birds eye maple. It has a lot of open eyes and I am not informed enough to know if there is any value here. Are the characteristics of Maple, like burl walnut. In so far as you will normally have wood imperfections to deal with. I wanted eyes and I got them. If I have my local turner turn it will I have a decent stock
    Side 1 photos are with out finish Side 2 has just one coat to see the color.


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    These are a few shots of the wood. Your thoughts are welcome and let me thank you in advance for your thoughts. JIM
     
  2. kenf

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    You better send them them to me and I'll deal with the stress of having them turned. Beautiful wood.
     
  3. Brian in Oregon

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    If the pits and voids can be filled, I think their issues would be more than offset by the unusual beauty of this piece. I'd sure like to use that as a buttstock on a Winchester 1885 Single Shot.
     
  4. Sky Buster

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    Personally, I've always thought maple was ugly on a trap
    gun. Nothing like dark figured walnut in my book.
     
  5. 682b

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    Back in 2008 I wanted to work on a maple stock for my Remington 1100 and was unsure about this and another blank. I opted for a more conventional blank and had it cut to my measurements. I worked with Jamie Grimes who turned the wood and I did the fit and finish The stock has 3/8 of off set and that was great. A 1100 stock won't stand for much more and then you must take another path. Here are some shots of that project.






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    After shooting and adjusting the drop for several months this is the final work.


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    Most of the imperfections are on the surface, but who knows what is underneath, sort of like Christmas. Jim
     
  6. cubancigar2000

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    I really like the Maple on certain guns. A Rem 1100 or model 12, 303 Etc. Dont like it on high end guns. Thats some pretty wood for sure
     
  7. 1oldtimer

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    If you like it, have it done. You are the one who has to be happy.

    Clyde
     
  8. BAD 303

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    I would be careful what type gun you put it on. Spending several hundred dollars and having it crack or split in the grip area would be tough to swallow. Looks to me like it would be great for an auto project but not an O/U.
     
  9. Hotrod67

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    Bigboy, I'm not really a big fan of blond wood, however I'd be very proud to own the wood on your 1100. Awesome !!
     
  10. cueguy

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    After working with birdseye for 35 years, I can attest to the beauty. However, all BI is not equal. It is not a strong grained wood. Actually, BI is not naturally grown in nature. It is a defect, just like curly maple. The more eyes, generally the weaker the grain. If it was me, I would go for it and hope mine was the good piece. A good finish and it just glows! Nubs Wagner
     
  11. Brian in Oregon

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    I saw some shell flame maple that either had darker tones to it, or it was finished with a darker stain. How dark of a stain can you go on maple before it no longer looks like maple?
     
  12. 682b

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    Brian, I don't know but if you look on EBay some sell smaller pieces that have been stabilized with a stain for knife scales. Also doing a search for Maple I see some dark examples. I want to try a old stock finishing technique of using Ammonia to fume the wood darker.
    Perhaps someone with a lot of experience like Nubs Wagner will help out.
     
  13. Rollin Oswald

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    That was my question: Couldn't maple be dyed to darken it after the final sanding and before finishing?

    The use of ammonia fuming sounds interesting. I hope Nubs replies.

    You might also investigate aquafortis reagent (nitric acid and iron). The link is above. the wood is first treated with the reagent and then heat is applies with a heat gun or electric stove burner. (Take a look at the stock on "View 2" on the website. It's beautiful.)

    The Website also has other interesting gunstock penetrating stains but apparently, no dyes.

    Also, I read that potassium disulfate (if memory serves) enhanses the birdseyes and adds a depth to the finished wood.

    Rollin
     
  14. Guy

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    I had this stock made from Claro burl.....sent it to K&G Finishing Supplies 1972 Forest Ave. Lakeside, Az. 85929 520-537-8877

    They stabilize all those knife handles.....they will take your stick, and put it in a chamber where under something like 50,000 lbs of pressure, the entire piece is impregnated with resin......you can then use that wood on any type of gun you want.....it will last several lifetimes.

    They charge by the finished pound. Send the forend too.

    One more thing.....don't tell your stocker too much about this.....Phil Simms made mine, and said he'd never do another. I guess it ain't too fun to work with.

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  15. 682b

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    WGH was your stock stabilized prior to turning or after? Rollin you are right, that stock has great color. I have several chunks of this wood, The Birdseye. I may be doing two to match each other. All I have to do now is to find a reasonable turner that will work with a formed model. I am going to make a mold and cast my favorite stock. Then get a pair made for a 1100 12ga and a 20 ga standard. I owe my daughter a stock out of maple for a old Franchi (1963) international skeet gun That is choked sk and sk1. She likes this piece of maple and I was planning on having it stabilized after I fit and before finishing. I tried several finishes and found that my old stand by ( pro custom oil) did as good or better than others.

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  16. Holeinmypattern

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    Here is a set I had done for my model 12, I used a oil finish.

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  17. Avaldes

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    There was a thread here a year or two ago where Joe Goldberg demonstrated a technique that involved using an oak dowel down the middle of the blank to work like a wing spar in an airplane. Then he drilled out the bolt hole and shaped the stock. It was a very clever way to stabilize the stock with a very nicely figured blank.
     
  18. Guy

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    Wood was stabilized before it was turned....
     
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