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BEST GUN POWDER EVER MADE FOR TRAPSHOOTING

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  1. senior smoke

    senior smoke Well-Known Member

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    Hello:
    When I first started shooting in 1970 I purchased an old Mec single stage reloader from a older man at the Waukesha Gun club. He told me in the 60's he reloaded Red dot powder. He said it's all set up for red dot. He said Red dot is the best gun powder for trap shooting. After loading up some All American hulls, and finding out the hard way that I needed to lower the powder charge, I continued to use Red dot for years. It was a dirty powder, but reliable.

    Years later a Wisconsin hall of fame shooter convinced me to go to Green dot. Around 5 years later I switched to 700x. For a short time I switched to winchesters ball powder, think it was called 452AA powder, not sure it's been so long ago. It was a very fine granulated powder, but got all over my mec graber reloader.

    Lastly, a friend said it may cost you more money than all the rest, but treat yourself to reloading PB powder. To me this is the best powder I have ever used. Targets are smoked with authority, recoil is low. Is there a powder out there now that some might say is better than PB? I would find it hard to believe. If you know of any better, please tell me.

    I also have a question that I would like answered. Years ago I also used new Federal Papers for Handicap events. It looked like Red Dot powder inside of the hull. A guy told me it looks like red dot, but trust me, it's not the same red dot that we can buy. If this is true, why not?
    Steve Balistreri
     
  2. AveragEd

    AveragEd Well-Known Member

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    Powder companies make powder to a specification. What meets that specification's tolerances is called "cannister grade" and is sold to us handloaders in cannisters up to eight pounds in size. What doesn't fall into the tolerance is sold to the ammunition manufacturers, so while that powder might look just like Red Dot, for example, and may in fact BE Red Dot, it isn't exactly the same Red Dot you and I can buy.

    I share your opinion of PB but the cost is beginning to get me thinking about Green Dot the next time I buy two eight-pound jugs. They are very similar in performance.

    Ed
     
  3. RunGunIPSC

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    I started reloading shotgun in 1963. Used Alcan papers,wads,primers. Red Dot. Loaded on the little Lee loader that came in the small tiny box. To me,PB powder for straight wall with 1 1/8th & 1 oz & Clays for AA/STS in 1 & 7/8 oz.
    I have tried head to head with a lot of powders & have come up with nothing better or even equal. Both recoil & patterns. Yes,there are certain very special loads that work much better with other powders but for everyday overall shooting,these two. WHY-WHY-WHY do trapshooters that own/shoot $5-10,000 guns yell about a few pennies more/box for a better powder. Go figure out how much it cost you to shoot a 300 target event,no purses,but add the travel,then come & tell me that you can't afford the extra $3.00 for PB powder. If you can't afford that $3.00,you have no business blowing off into the air that $40-50-60 in shells ALONE. AverageEd-- I have made up loads using the same componants to the same chrono velocity & find Green Dot does give more recoil than PB. I do LOVE GD for certain games loads. For what clay target shooting costs,the dollar differences in powders is the very least critical thing. Tom.
     
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    We used to have access in Western Canada to a shotshell powder made in Scotland by Noble. They were nitrocellulose "gun cotton". It was made to match Red Dot specs and was extremely consistent and was extremely clean burning. And it was significantly cheaper than Red Dot.
     
  5. senior smoke

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    Thanks for answering that question I have had for years.
    Steve
     
  6. senior smoke

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    Brownst100:
    I used the brass goumet on my grabber and I still leaked 452AA powder on the reloading machine and the table. At that time I was shooting a rem 1100 and it seemed to cake up the inside of my gun. What I did like about that powder was it seemed to drop consistant measures of powder compared to everything else.
    Steve
     
  7. mrskeet410

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    International Clays is the closest thing I've found to PB.
     
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    IMR SR7625, formerly made by DuPont. Lowest chamber pressure for equivelent velocity of most any powder commercially avaible. When RXP hulls were loaded with 1 1/8 oz for 1150fps, chamber pressure is in the 5200 to 5400 psi range. Same hull and componnents loaded with 700X are 10,000+ psi. When I reloaded using 1 1/8 oz #8 1/2 Lawrence x-hard shot it felt like cheating. Even though this powder is expensive, if I ever start to reload again, it is the only powder I will use. Some killer HC and field loads can be loaded and still pressures will be comparatively low. Marc
     
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    After a generation or more of trying most every powder out there, I have settled on Solo 1000 for everything but my Caps load, and Solo 1250 for that. Since 1250 has apparently been dropped, I will likely go to Unique to replace it.

    I now only load and shoot the 12, have given up four gauge Skeet. Less drama, more fun. We do this for fun, DON'T WE?
     
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    Years ago Dupont came out with 800x. If memory serves me correctly they were having some problems with that powder at the time. Did anyone ever use 800x, and is it still made today?
    Steve
     
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    Steve, yes 800x is still being made. I have used it for 1 1/4oz to 1 1/2oz loads. I don't think I've ever loaded it for less than 1 1/4. 26gr works very well with 1 3/8 of #7 shot for games.
     
  12. bigben

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    Load whatever powder you choose, load some with PB , run a 15 to 20 shot series through your chrono, then tell me that PB is a little expensive, in the words of a VERY accomplished shooter, "I can;t afford NOT to shoot it! incinerate em!
     
  13. lancelot

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    PB if it weren,t so expensive. Ron Ireland
     
  14. goatskin

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    PB is more expensive than cocaine and it takes a snuff-can full of it to make a load; at dusk, you're shooting a 10' roman candle and if you shoot an auto, you get flaming hulls ...

    that said, it meters like water, ignores hot or cold and the SD and ES are non-existent.

    PB is God's Own Powder (when he can arrange financing, that is) and it smells wunnerful in paper hulls, too.

    JMHO, of course.


    Bob
     
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    PB for drop accuracy and velocity consistency-so say my chronograph crazy ballistic nuts. I've only got 50 lbs. left from that special deal a few years ago. I've already been warned by wife that she doesn't care what it costs, her shells better be loaded with PB.

    800-X is still being made and if you can stand 1/2gr. drop variations will break targets and make plenty of noise at the same time. I still have a 12 lb. can of that stuff somewhere!!
     
  16. phirel

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    Best Gun Powder? Best for what? Best for price, clean burning, availability or metering well? Even the worst powder will smash targets well. This can be clearly seen by shooting some discount shells. Recoil? It has been shown many times that the difference in burning rates of different powders will not have an affect on felt recoil. It is true that the burning curves of powders will vary (3-5/10,000 of a second). There will be more affect on recoil by adding or removing a single shot from the shell than from the different burning rates.

    Or, most important, what powder is best for the local economy of Christiansburg VA (my home)? The answer to that question is any Alliant powder.

    Pat Ireland
     
  17. Ahab

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    Haha!

    Unless you have a Crown Grade Kreighoff and use Fed paper hulls with PB powder and 12C1 wads ... you don't stand a chance against a guy using a Mod 12 with Red Dot in promo hulls that he picks up out of the trash can!
     
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    The most 100s in trap have been shot using Red Dot powder. HMB
     
  19. senior smoke

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    I second that thought!

    Steve

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    Best gun powder in my opinion for handicap shooting, bar none.
    If I had money I would only use Federal Papers. To me, best shell ever made. If I ever go to heaven hope to use new Fed papers, and sniff them after each shot. I also want Hoppe's no.9 to clean my guns. In fact, I like the smell so much that I just might use Hoppes for colonge but i am already married. Don't want to take the chance. My friend just said look in the mirror I have nothing to worry about.
    Steve
     
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    If someone loaded 10 different shells with 10 diff. powders by the book,and you shot them,how many do you think you could identify? What if I told you I got my best hits and scores shooting Winchester Super-Target shells over AAs or STS at $20.00 less per flat. Powders & shells make little difference in scores. If someone else loaded your gun,could you tell the difference? Highly doubtful. I thnk Leo shot Challengers and broke 100's from the 27. If the perks are right,he can use anything.
     
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