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best bushing for p/w +

Discussion in 'Shooting Related Threads' started by biggunone, Mar 15, 2010.

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  1. biggunone

    biggunone Member

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    what would be the most acurate powder&shot bushing for the 800+ right now i am using mec and depending what day i load i use either a 35 or a 36 book calls for a 34 is this normal i just started to reload. thanks for any input
     
  2. SeldomShoots

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    Personally, I think the Hornady shot and powder bushings are more accurate than PW and they fit in the PW machine. Not sure if that answers your question. Could use a little more detail. I think you may be able to buy a powder bushing for use in a PW that will accept MEC bushings.

    John E.
     
  3. Unknown1

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    For the powder bushing try a "P" bushing (.503" diameter) or a Hornady #503. You will probably want to get one bushing on either side of it, though.

    Yes, it's normal for the actual weight of the powder drop to disagree with the recommendations in the bushing chart. Use the chart to get close; use your scale to get it right! And, yes, there are adapters sold that allow the use of MEC bushings on a P-W...I just don't know who sells them.

    MK
     
  4. biggunone

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    i am using mec bushing now i was just wondering if their were more accurate bushing than the mec and if you have to chang bushing sizes from one day to the next like i said one day i use a 35 and another day i use a 36 for the sme losd i know the powder could change from day to day.Or is this normal. thanks for any input.
     
  5. bigbore613

    bigbore613 Active Member

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    Use the bushing that throws the wieght your Powder company recomends in the recipe. Bushing lables are just guides. If you dont have a scale borrow or buy one. Jeff
     
  6. biggunone

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    i have a scale it seems no one understands the question thanks anyway
     
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    biggunone......to answer your question each lot of powder weighs different and each day is different due to humidity, temp. etc. etc. One batch of powder might take a different powder bushing to get the same weights. That is why you need to have a scale to weigh your loads.

    I check my powder weight each 50 shells with my Mec 650. Now I have a 800+ I will probably weight each 100 or so.

    Hope this is what you were after.

    Bill
     
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    <I>"i have a scale it seems no one understands the question thanks anyway"</I>

    If no one understands your question the way you're asking it, how about asking it in a different way??

    MK
     
  9. bigbore613

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    If you need to know a starting point let us know what weight of what powder you need for your recipe. Jeff
     
  10. Shooter100

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    Biggunone


    If I understand your question. The answer would be NO as all bushings work on the same princaple of volume. I can't see how one could be more accurate than the other. However there is a posibility some manufacture could be closer to the right weight in the beginning. Hope this helps

    Harry
     
  11. Unknown1

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    Powder and shot data is given by weight but it's dispensed by volume. Bushings are just holes. There are any number of things that can affect how much powder can fit into a hole so the accuracy of the powder drop is controlled by the user and the press operation as much as by the size of the hole. If they are the same size, one hole is no more or less accurate than another.

    MK
     
  12. biggunone

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    Are spolar or p/;w bushing more accurate than the mec thanks
     
  13. biggunone

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    I know how it works i was just wondering if any one found if one bushing was more accurate than the others in the 800 p/w plus.And to tjaye may be you should not reload because you dont understand the opening question
     
  14. TjayE

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    biggunone, YOU need help.
     
  15. sasquach

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    I think what you are asking is not what bushing is more accurate, but rather which bushing agrees closer with the published loading data. It has been my experience that the Hornady bushings will agree with the chart mopre often than any others. PW bushings are usually way off as are Mec to a lesser degree. As has already been explained, a bushing is just a hole. Another thing that some people forget is that loading shotshells is not like loading bench rest shells. Progresive shot shell loaders are not capable of the kind of accuracy that some people would have you believe, and that kind of accuracy is not necessary. Some people get really anal about this. Yes, powdetr drops will change a little from day to day, and from one lot of powder to another, and from how hard you pull the handle, and if the sun goes behind a cloud, but if you are loading so close to the edge that you have to worry about it, you will probably blow the damn thing up any way.
     
  16. whiz white

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    SASQUACH: Amen, extremely well said. THANK YOU! We need to emblazon your words on a plaque, and post it for good... hopefully that would end these discussions.

    I get calls often to custom make a bushing for a P/W "that throws EXACTLY ## grains." I just shake my head and say I can't do it.

    Having been a semi-bench rest shooter, I can understand the requests, but as you so well stated, "that kind of accuracy is not necessary."

    I have reloaded and been a very competitive AA-27 yard shooter for over 35 years. I mix-and-match primers, hulls, wads, powder with little concern to the EXACT match as 'suggested' by the powder & reloader manufacturers. I normally use a AA wad in everything with a tapered hull, and the correct wad for Federal plastic (FGMP) and paper (FGM Paper) straight-walled cases. I don't use a Remington wad in an STS or Nitro hull, etc, etc.

    As long as I stay below any maximums, and I normally shoot super light loads at 16's and chronographed loads for handicap, I feel safe. I usually only shoot new shells for 27 yard competition (Federal Paper Handicaps or Nitro 27's), or reloads that exemplify those two shells.

    I firmly believe that shooters get too much into this "exactness" and because of powder lot densities, humidity, temperature, and even the speed at which we pull the reloader's handle affect a reload more than the bushing concern.

    Pick a weight, load some, chronograph them, find what you want, and then just reload and go shoot. Heck, a cup of coffee will probably affect your shooting more than any reload.

    Whiz (I drink too much coffee too)
     
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    Amen to what Whiz and sasquach said.

    I to get a little anal when it comes to rifle reloading because I load each cartridge individually within a tenth of a grain. But when I load shotgun shells, when I start the session I check the first shell and the 5th shell and the 25th shell and if they are the same I will continue to reload until I am finished for the session. I have been doing this for I guess forty+ years and it works.

    Stan
     
  18. alchemist

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    If you want to use MEC bushings is a PW press, to to the above web site. The part no. is MBC and the name is "bushing converter".

    Bob Snell
     
  19. wm rike

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    As said above, they're holes and you have to roll with it. The nice thing about the Hornady bushings is that they are designated with a three-digit number that corrresponds to the hole diameter in mils. If you have to move up or down in bushing size, you have an idea of how much change you are making. With the PW and Mec buchings, going from A to B or 1 to 2 doesn't tell you much.
     
  20. Neil Winston

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    Well sure, wm, but it kind of misleads you as well, doesn't it? Let's take a 500 bushing and compare it with a 525. It looks like a five percent change. But it's ten percent. But you can't count on that 2x change either, because that changes too, depending on the sizes of the two bushings you are comparing _and_ how far apart they are.

    Neil
     
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