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Be Careful What You Pray For...

Discussion in 'Politics, Elections & Legislation' started by GW22, May 18, 2013.

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  1. GW22

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    ...because the federal government may interrogate you about the content of those prayers.

    Sound implausible? Ridiculous? Impossible?

    Click the link, watch the video, and you'll see that this is indeed reality, under the current Democrat administration of criminals. What's even more appalling than the fact that American citizens were interrogated by the federal government about the content of their prayers is that, even now, the vile individual who was in charge of the IRS can not bring himself to concede that such questions were inappropriate.

    A friend of mine likened this shocking reality to Orwell's "thought police" in the book 1984, who could arrest you for "thoughtcrime".

    Is this what we've allowed America to become? Don't you think the founding fathers would be ashamed that we've allowed this to happen to their country?

    -Gary
     
  2. bigdogtx

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    Gary,,,,,most of today's voters have NO idea who the Founding Fathers were and what they sacrificed to start this country,,,,,,,sadly, some here are the same way.......
     
  3. GW22

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    It's sickening what we have allowed this once noble country to become.

    -Gary
     
  4. Shooting Coach

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    Never could have dreamed it when I was young.
     
  5. R.Kipling

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    There are times that I get so sick of what is going on I just turn off the TV and the computer for days. I'm looking forward to getting my last grandchild through college so I can retreat to the mountains - if there is anywhere left to retreat to?

    This is not the country I grew up loving, served, or the freedom I fought for. When I suggest to people that they actually read the Constitution, and just as importantly, the Federalist and Anti-Federalist papers that explain the thought process behind it, I get the zombie stare.

    I'm begining to understand the dispare and abject weariness that Chief Joseph must have felt when he gave up the good fight and said, "from where I stand, I will fight no more, forever".

    Kip
     
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    Because it is not taught in high school anymore. Modern history is. Very little time is allocated if any, to early American History.

    Those who refuse to acknowledge history, are destined to repeat it.
     
  7. SBray

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    Kip,

    I know what you are saying. I have watched Fox programs where they go out amongst people and ask them about current events. A good percentage of them have no idea about what is going on in the country, or around the world.

    It is scary that so many people are so involved in their little worlds that they don't pay the slightest attention to anything else.

    This country is in real trouble!

    Steve
     
  8. SBray

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    Setterman,

    Yes indeed! Here in California, someone thought it was very important to devote time on May 22 to declare it "Harvey Milk Indoctrination Day", so to speak. They are going to pass out pamphlets educating our youth what a great contributor Harvey Milk was! No the constitution probably isn't that important, or any other part of our early history, let's burn up time talking about Harvey Milk!

    God help us all!

    Steve
     
  9. timberfaller

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    Word of warning about fleeing to the Mountains.

    For about a decade now, with no budget, the USFS districts have been "dismantling" thousands of miles of forest roads put in and built by loggers.

    "Monies" come straight from DC to accomplish said task.

    It to appease the likes of the Sierra Club, Occupukers, and the low informed voters!! and not to be left out, University Professor's(who teach your children)I mean indoctrinate your children.
     
  10. Brian in Oregon

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    Just to make a slight correction, Chief Joseph actually said:

    <i>"Tell General Howard I know his heart. What he told me before, I have it in my heart. I am tired of fighting. Our chiefs are killed; Looking Glass is dead, Too-hul-hul-sote is dead. The old men are all dead. It is the young men who say yes or no. He who led on the young men is dead. It is cold, and we have no blankets; the little children are freezing to death. My people, some of them, have run away to the hills, and have no blankets, no food. No one knows where they are—perhaps freezing to death. I want to have time to look for my children, and see how many of them I can find. Maybe I shall find them among the dead. Hear me, my chiefs! I am tired; my heart is sick and sad. From where the sun now stands, I will fight no more forever."</i>

    Chief Joseph was born in the Wallowa Valley in NE Oregon. He's a major historical figure here. one of the big tragedies is that the original indian treaty here gave western Oregon to the white man and eastern Oregon to the indians. The US Army and federal government found it easier to reneg on that treaty and round up the indians instead of keeping gold seeking white men and homesteaders out.
     
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    Thanks Brian.

    So what should we expect from what we dished out? Is our eventual end etched in stone by our own actions....?



    milt
     
  12. Catpower

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    Good info Brian

    As a country we are done, the idiots that elect the idiots are all wrapped up in themselves, and their sense of entitlement, the latest app for their smart phones and who's on American Idol or some other reality show, that contain absolutely no reality
     
  13. R.Kipling

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    Steve,

    I'm right with you on the public interviews. Check out the YouTube I posted above, but word of caution, it's disgusting.

    Brian,

    I appreciate the correction, my sentiment still stands. I've read several bio's on Chief Joseph, I admire him and the Nez Perce through those writings. I had an aviation partnership in Roseburg, Or. in the 90's. I loved the area and especially the Columbia River runs we made. You have my condolences on the commieforicator infestation.

    Timberfaller,

    Thx, I'll incorporate that into my plans. It could just make me that much harder to find. Not a bad thing, generally speaking. When I got out of the service I purchased a parcel from the BLM on the Dupree Reservoir in Lewis & Clark County, Montana. Visited it twice on a seasonal BLM road. Found it rocky and full of snakes, but livable. Then, I found out that I didn't have the mineral rights when a mining company served me with notice-of-exploration. The parcel went back into the auction and I learned a costly lesson.

    Actually feeling a little better today, I've been able to get on my bicycle this week. The mountains always demand your best effort.

    Kip
     
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    Kip thanks for posting that, that is exactly why this country is in the shape it is, and I have no idea how we are going to turn it around without it getting real ugly, but it has to be done, or we will cease to exist the way we have all known it
     
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    Kip,

    You were right, it was disgusting! I could only make it through about half of the video.

    To think these people are voting, and choosing candidates that think there are 57 states.

    Steve
     
  16. Brian in Oregon

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    That's very common with mineral rights. I know of about a half dozen people in eastern and southern Oregon who do not own the mineral rights to their own land. In theory a big mining operation could move right in and start processing their land.
     
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    My favorite American is Chief Joseph. My forth grade teacher introduced to his story(1965). Loved it ever since!!!

    Used to hunt elk in the Gospel Humps in Idaho, once you've been there, you'll understand how Chief Joseph and his people did what they did!!! And I came away with a deeper appreciation for Him and sorry for what he had to endure!!!
     
  18. R.Kipling

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    MIlt,

    First of all, I'd like to dispel the notion that 'we' actually are responsible for any of the misdeeds committed in the years after the Civil War, or before for that matter. Me or my family did not take part in ANY native genocide. The vast majority of us white-devils didn't either. Many of our families weren't even residing in the States then. I bear no responsibility, or remorse for those terrible times. I am sympathetic, empathetic and repulsed by those actions, but that is as far as I can go - rationally.

    I hope that all of us left here will stop buying into this false impeachment of guilt that is being fostered upon us by people who's only agenda is trickery and greed, theft of our industry and our thrift.

    I've read extensively on America's Native cultures, and admire some of it. However, their cultures were/are just as brutal and sorted as our own. In the area's that I now call home, there were as many as 28 different tribes occupying contended lands. By the time white settlers got here there were 7. Likewise the Mexicans are Spaniards who took the lands of the Aztec's, who took the lands of the Inca's who took the lands of the Anasazi. It goes on forever.

    Today, our 'Native American's' are still fighting among themselves. Read about the 400 lost tribes. Smaller tribes that the Indian councils have decommissioned to deny them Casino money and other reparations. Monrovia, Liberia was our first attempt at African restitution in 1822, look at it today - shocking.

    In Africa it was, actually still is, the very same. Slavery still exists in the Arab states, and India. Black men are still killing Black men around the globe for profit and ideological beliefs. The English, Dutch African slavers didn't have to round up African families. Waring tribes sold the losers to them on the shores. Forensic Archeology bears empirical evidence that our history was written by the winners, and is now being changed by the whiners.

    Do not accept, or go quietly into this false-night intended to strip you of your resources and your self-made comfort. The something-for-nothing crowds are out there in record numbers, and they, personally did not lift a finger, or suffer one indignity of their questionable ancestors.

    Until we stand up to this barrage of Political (in)Correct crap we will fall for everything.

    Kip (I am a Native American, too)
     
  19. mette56

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    Kip....well said!

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    Very well said Kip
     
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