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Ban on high capacity mags?

Discussion in 'Shooting Related Threads' started by glenns, Jan 13, 2011.

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  1. glenns

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    From this article:

    The shooting by suspect Jared Lee Loughner highlights several political and social issues that Aaron and Henry discuss in the accompanying video with former Delaware Senator and current Congressional Oversight Panel chairman Ted Kaufman.

    Gun control

    "We've got to have a dialogue on guns," Sen. Kaufman says. "We never have a discussion because it's so polarizing." Kaufman hopes the Tucson tragedy prompts a reasonable discussion on gun control, but says there's a need to have more restrictions on assault weapons. "We should all agree there's no earthly reason to have a 30-shot magazine."

    ** How do you feel about high capacity Mags? Should they be banned?
     
  2. sernv99

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    no ban on hi-cap mags....and states that have a mag cap limit, and are situated next to a state that does not have one, is really stupid.

    For example, Maryland limits hi-cap mags for their rifles to 20 rounds IIRC. But a MD resident can drive to VA or PA and buy all the high cap mags he wants and bring them back across the border. So I don't know how that stops potential wackos from loading up a bunch of hi cap mags and going on a rampage (I assume that was the reasoning behind MD's law on the 20 round mag limit for long guns)...
     
  3. Hammer1

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    Any misdirection play that we fall for is a mistake.

    The focus has got to stay on "criminals are solely responsible for their actions."

    The gun, the ammunition, the car, the car keys, the place where he bought his car's gasoline, and the pantyhose he covered his face with -- all of these are irrelevant.

    The criminal committed the act and is solely responsible.

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  4. Hammer1

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    Just look at how much crime is committed by recidivists.

    Think it was in New England in the past week. A man who had been sentenced to three life prison terms was paroled yet once again and killed someone very shortly after his release.

    http://www.thedailyshrewsbury.com/Articles-c-2011-01-08-73939.113122-Leahy-for-Mass-Chiefs-questions-parole-of-violent-criminal-who-killed-Woburn-cop.html



    While the recent Arizona shooter had no felony convictions, he had a long, long history with problems with the law and been given many, many passes.

    At least his mental problems should have had him under controlled supervision in an institution.

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  5. shannon391

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    Thousands more people die from from drunk drivers than high cap mags. Should we ban the 24pack ?
     
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    Guys, just because the neighboring state sells hi-cap mags and yours doesn't, does NOT mean that you are allowed to own them.

    The limit is 15 in NJ and you can buy whatever in PA, but it is ILLEGAL to posses any mag in NJ over 15 rounds. Legal to buy in PA, ILLEGAL to own in NJ.
     
  7. Hammer1

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    Think we should ban high capacity gas tanks on cars since their only purpose is to increase the geographic range of criminal activity.

    We should also ban digital and video cameras as their sole purpose is espionage and pornography. We know all real photographers use Hasselblads.

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  8. sernv99

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    in MD, you can own them if you bought them outside of MD....but my point was about someone living in s state with a mag cap limit and wanting to go on a rampage and wanted hi cap C beta AR-15 drums or 33 round Glock mags or other mags of the like. If living in NJ, he will drive out of state to buy what he needs then drive back into NJ and go about his business....obviously the NJ law isn't going to stop him from driving to PA to get what he needed, unless PA gunshops do a residency check for all buyers of hi-cap mags??
     
  9. vpr80

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    not a chance, PA doesn't care what you buy :)
     
  10. sernv99

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    born and raised in NJ so I know about their ill conceived gun laws LOL when I moved to VA a few years ago, it was like Disneyland :)
     
  11. Hammer1

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    Was with an anti-gunner when he discovered that shotguns shoot hundreds of pellets with one pull of the trigger.

    He concluded that a single-shot shotgun should be regulated the same as a rifle capable of firing hundreds of bullets with one pull of the trigger.

    His opinion was that a Browning BT-99 was the same as a belt-fed Fifty.

    Once the criminal gets our focus off of them and onto "things", we lose.

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    Why isn't "Plinking" a earthly reason to have high capacity mags? Sounds good enough to me. Thats what i do with them legally. Paper targets and those dasterdly bowling pins.

    Matt
     
  13. Hammer1

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    Gallon size water jugs are much meaner than those paper targets and bowling pins.


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    Security is a ideal, an illusion and not real. Security has to be compared to related concepts: safety, continuity, reliability. A breech in any of the three is loss of security.
     
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    Typical arse wipe polititions, blaming the gun and not the idiot (criminal, wacko, etc.).

    Ex-Senator Kauffman was and still is a flaming retarded liberal.

    Curt - Delaware
     
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    High capacity magazines (Original magazine over 10 rounds) were banned in '94 under the Clinton administration then expired in '04 based on the "Sunset clause" inserted by the GOP in the congress.

    The congress during Bush administration didn't make much efforts to renew the '94 "Crime Bill", so the widest weapon related ban since '68 was officially dead. The biggest effect of said ban was the term we use to describe our firearm as "pre-ban" & "post ban" during that 10 years.

    According to one FBI figure, weapon related crime rate didn't rise during the 10 year ban.
     
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    I personally don't see a need for a 30 round mag, but am against further regulation..Everytime something happens, more rules and laws are enacted..The problem is, criminals don't care about the rules....There are plenty of high capacity mags and assault type weapons around for some person to get ahold of, even if the manufacturing was eliminated....These people always just seem to find another way...Should propane be eliminated becuase of the incindent near Christmas?..He could have just as easily rented or borrowed a big heavy truck or van and sped right into the crowd, it may have been even worse...

    This was a horrific event and it makes me sick to think about it...I think as a culture we need more understanding of others views so they feel they can express them, rather than bottling them up and exploding..I am not suggesting that would have worked here, as he was clearly disturbed..Maybe if more people would get the proper training and a CPL, the next time someone tries something like this, a lawfully carrying citizen can put them down ASAP.
     
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    Why didn't NRA think of this??
    Rep King (R) from NY has proposed a new law that would put a gun-free 1000 ft. bubble around any federal congressman, Judge etc. to prevent bad guys from shooting them. I have every confidence that this would deter bad guys, so I thought we could take this a step further. Let's propose a law that prohibits terrorists from coming within a 1000 ft. of any airport. This deterent would allow us to eliminate the TSA, patdowns, nude screenings and allow us to show up for our flight 15 mins. early instead of 2 hours! Hey! maybe we ought to pass a law against murder too. There is really no end to this if we think hard. Bank robbers could be banned from banks, Rapists could be banned from coming within a 1000 Ft. of a woman, or whatever. Dead people would be banned from coming within 1000 ft. of voting booths. I mean the list is endless and we could solve all of our problems with just a few laws. What do you think?

    CREEK
     
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    vpr80, you might want to check the laws. As I understand it 15rds in a pistol, 10 for AR type weapons. I may be wrong. I thought I was wrong once but I was mistaken. Way to many restrictions in the Garden State. No ban on mag capacity. As shannon391 stated more death and injury from D driving. Nobody ever blames the beer. Good luck Chuck Hrosik
     
  20. shannon391

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    Some say the extra lenght on the shooters mag gave the women something to get a hold on while he was trying to reload.
     
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