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Discussion in 'Shooting Related Threads' started by 1166, Sep 2, 2010.

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  1. 1166

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    I recieved an 8# metal container (new) of winchester ball power super-target wst8 & am wondering how many grains to use. Has any one had experience with fine grain power. thanks.
     
  2. Auctioneer

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    What are you shooting it in? In a shotgun I don't know. If its a neck rifle casing I wouldn't use it. The military had a problem with ball powder heating up the the throat of a neck casing and that would widen the chamber in time. I stopped using it all together.
     
  3. Quack Shot

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    Go to the link above for data from Hodgdon. Select the components you wish to use and use them exactly as listed. Weight your powder drops to be sure you are throwing the right amount. Use a GOOD Scale and don't go entirely by the bushing charts. If you are unsure of the process, ask an experienced reloader to help walk you through it. I've used a LOT of this powder and it works great in some loads. Covered primer flash holes would be highly recomended.

    Component and load selection are important, as is the actual reloading process to get it right. Always use reliable loading data. The data published by the component manufacturers are usually free and pretty good. There are some good reference books you can aquire as well.

    If you do not have someone to help quide you, I'd suggest giving Hodgdon a call for their help and advice.

    When you work with things that can produce high pressures and go "BANG", it's best to stay on the cautious side.

    You can send me a PM or post if you need more help. If you are local, I'd be more than happy to give you a hand, or help you out by remote.

    Best thing to do is figure out what components you have and what type of loads you want to create. If you don't have everything else, it's an opportunity to aquire compatable supplies.
     
  4. 1166

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    Sorry people I should have said Federal Top Gun hulls 1150 to 1250 feet per second cheddite 209 primers claybuster 12s3 wads 11/8 shot.
     
  5. goatskin

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    Use Hodgdon's Fiocchi hull & F617 data as your best match - and it is a GOOD match, with TG hulls being a little less 'pressurey' b/c of their paper basewad.

    Anywhere between 20 & 24gn will suit your needs just fine.

    Bob
     
  6. Quack Shot

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    Here is the data according to Hodgdon, for the Gold Medal Hulls. I believe they are the closest to the Top Guns. They do NOT list the Cheddite primer in the data. I would suggest selecting a load that develops well under 10,000PSI, in order to allow for a little headroom for variables. 20.0 to 21.0 grains seems like it might be workable. I would call Hodgdon to double check and ask for their recommendation.

    This data can be found at www.hodgdon.com. I usually suggest using the load EXACTLY as listed.

    Shell: 2 3/4" FEDERAL GOLD MEDAL PLASTIC SHELLS

    Load Type Gauge Shot Wt. Powder Primer Wad Powder Wt. (Gr.) Pressure Vel. (ft/s)

    Lead Shot 12 1 1/8 oz. WST CCI 209 Fed. 12S3 19.5 8,500 PSI 1145

    Lead Shot 12 1 1/8 oz. WST CCI 209 Fed. 12S3 21 10,300 PSI 1200

    Lead Shot 12 1 1/8 oz. WST Fio. 617 Fed. 12S3 20.5 7,600 PSI 1145

    Lead Shot 12 1 1/8 oz. WST Fio. 617 Fed. 12S3 22.1 9,900 PSI 1200

    Lead Shot 12 1 1/8 oz. WST Fio. 617 Rem. FIG 8 20.6 7,600 PSI 1145

    Lead Shot 12 1 1/8 oz. WST Fio. 617 Rem. FIG 8 22 9,800 PSI 1200

    Lead Shot 12 1 1/8 oz. WST Fio. 617 Rem. FIG 8 23.5 10,400 PSI 1255

    Lead Shot 12 1 1/8 oz. WST Fio. 617 WAA12 20.5 7,500 PSI 1145

    Lead Shot 12 1 1/8 oz. WST Fio. 617 WAA12 21.9 8,900 PSI 1200

    Lead Shot 12 1 1/8 oz. WST Fio. 617 WAA12 23.5 10,500 PSI 1255

    Lead Shot 12 1 1/8 oz. WST Rio G-600 Fed. 12S3 20.3 8,000 PSI 1145

    Lead Shot 12 1 1/8 oz. WST Rio G-600 Fed. 12S3 21.9 9,600 PSI 1200

    Lead Shot 12 1 1/8 oz. WST Rio G-600 Fed. 12S3 23.5 11,100 PSI 1255

    Lead Shot 12 1 1/8 oz. WST Rio G-600 Rem. FIG 8 20.8 7,400 PSI 1145

    Lead Shot 12 1 1/8 oz. WST Rio G-600 Rem. FIG 8 22.2 8,700 PSI 1200

    Lead Shot 12 1 1/8 oz. WST Rio G-600 Rem. FIG 8 23.6 10,000 PSI 1255

    Lead Shot 12 1 1/8 oz. WST Rio G-600 WAA12 20.2 7,500 PSI 1145

    Lead Shot 12 1 1/8 oz. WST Rio G-600 WAA12 21.7 8,800 PSI 1200

    Lead Shot 12 1 1/8 oz. WST Rio G-600 WAA12 23.5 10,300 PSI 1255

    Lead Shot 12 1 1/8 oz. WST Win. 209 Fed. 12S3 21 9,500 PSI 1200
     
  7. phirel

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    Some good suggestions listed above and some not quite so good, but I would never develop a load from notes left by other shooters. Get a copy of a good reloading manual. The Winchester site would be a good place to start. Only use a load that you can confirm directly from a reloading manual.

    Pat Ireland
     
  8. 1166

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    Thankyou very much friends great imformation, in particular Quack Shot
     
  9. Ljutic111

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    I`ve been using Johnson and Johnsons for years . Stops the chaffing too .
     
  10. Duck Head

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    That would be Balls powder! Unless you only have ONE!
     
  11. team henges

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    I load wst with a remington sts hull, remington primer, 21.3 grains of wst, figure 8 wad and 1 1/8 oz of #8 and I love it, i shoot it in handicap, doubles and singles.

    brendan
     
  12. Barkingspider21

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    according to what I see here on the back of a bag of winchester wads it says
    WST from 18.5 gr. to 20.5 gr. with a wt12 wad will give velocities between 1145 fps and 12oo fps with 1 1/8 oz loads pressure from 8600 psi to 10,000 psi with win 209,cci209 fed 209 fed 209a.
    WOODY
     
  13. Dr.Longshot

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    Winchester Super Target Powder is a very good powder, especially in AA cases
    Look for loads in the Hodgdon reloading manual.

    This manual also has awsome Longshot Loads.


    Gary Bryant
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