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Bad procedure kill 2 cops

Discussion in 'Off Topic Threads' started by 635 G, Jan 27, 2011.

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  1. 635 G

    635 G Well-Known Member

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    This week two police officers who were trying to apprehend an armed felon who was holed up in an attic crawl space were killed. The St. Pete PD is now being criticized for not having the officers drop back & calling in swat.

    To any of all the professional LEO's on this site---what is your procedure, your training in this type of situation?

    Phil Berkowitz
     
  2. RDM

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    I am a LEO.

    Every situation that a LEO takes care of is different.

    My heart goes out to the family of both officers.
     
  3. slipping into darkness

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    The police are condemned no matter how they handle the situation! personally I say gun down all who chose to firer upon the police, no-and-if's or butt's about it. save the taxpayers and state money. and all that come forward to defend the slime balls get eliminated to. That would be a good start to cleaning up this country? Here come's the heat and Do good-ers!
     
  4. al391

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    Four police officers killed in Florida in less than a month. The killers both had extensive criminal records. What happened to the 3 strikes and you get life law? These two convicted fellons should have been in jail for life.
     
  5. colonel klink

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    A retired LEO here. Fox news had a story earlier this week, Police officers killed is up 43.3% last year (2010)-up from 2009 stats. That is not good & what does it say about our country/society. Colonel
     
  6. gwsaucedo

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    Sadly, the Indianapolis Police Dept. lost an officer this week on a routine traffic stop. Apparently, the shooter had been released by a mistake in the court system. The officer was on life support and the family made the choice to end that and donate his organs. According to the news, he will help almost nine people with this generous donation. Thanks just doesn't seem like enough to say to the men and women who serve and protect. Greg Saucedo
     
  7. Huntin'Fool

    Huntin'Fool Well-Known Member

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    I am also LEO, every situation is always different.

    There was a point earlier in the week where 12 police officers were shot within 5 days. Its amazing what criminals will do to attempt to get away with a crime.
     
  8. TOOLMAKER 251

    TOOLMAKER 251 Active Member

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    Fox reported that in a 24 hour period between this past Mon. and Tue. 11 LEO's across the country were killed.
     
  9. hmb

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    How much firearms training does an officer get each year from his department? HMB
     
  10. g7777777

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    This issue has nothing to do with firearms training. Officers of course can train as much on their own as they want.

    99 percent of civilians would poop their pants if they were confronted by any of the situations a law enforcement officer is confronted with daily much less a shooting situation.

    The vast majority of officers have never discharged their weapons.

    We crucify them if they do discharge their weapons often and we critque them if they die-- That is nuts

    Regards from Iowa

    Gene
     
  11. halfmile

    halfmile Well-Known Member

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    This will cetainly help the push fpr gun control.

    HM
     
  12. hmb

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    Gene, did you ever hear of the 6P principal? Proper preparation prevents piss poor performance. HMB
     
  13. eightbore

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    Until I hear otherwise, I will assume most of the increase in cop killing are ambush situations where the officer does not draw his weapon. It's hard to defend yourself against that situation. One way is to lock 'em up forever.
     
  14. hmb

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    What I am talking about is training. I wanted to know how much training is required and provided each year to the police officers. HMB
     
  15. g7777777

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    I think it varies HMB but I dont think that is relevant here. My opinon.

    Regards from Iowa

    Gene
     
  16. Leo

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    I think training IS in order, but we are looking at the wrong people to blame.

    Train the JUDGES to keep the criminals in jail, I don't care if it was crowded. It is punsihment, not a vacation. I'll bet many of us grew up in a crowded apartment and ate whatever there was with no complaints.

    Train the JURY that people ARE responsible for their actions.

    Train the POLITICIANS to quit kissing the butts of the unproductive whinners to buy votes.

    Train the CHILDREN that they have to maintain a certain standard of conduct for the right to participate in civilized society. My prayers are for the Police on the streets and their families.
     
  17. superxjeff

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    Too many scum bags and no space in prisons. IT'S AS SIMPLE AS THAT! I live in a town of over 100,000 people that has no city jail. We share with the county when they have space and when the feds are not using the beds that they pay for. In our town very little crime will result in a prison stay of longer then 24 hours unless violence is part of the crime. Crimnals are moving to our area because the pickings are so good.
    The liberals in our town keep the cops pretty well hamstrung. Eugene Oregon has got to be the worst place on earth to be a cop. Jeff
     
  18. steele

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    I retired with 26 years from the Pa State Police I still stay in touch with many of the guys I trained. It is appalling to know how few cops are actually on the streets. Right before I left, the station was responsible for over 150 miles of highways & 5 local municipalities that had no PD. This was patolled by 8-10 troopers & 2 supervisors. Now, the area has increased with the demise of several small PDs & the same station now has 3-4 patrol troopers & one supervisor. Many times, backup is 1/2 hour away. That is a long time to wait if help is needed. The real insult is, in the same area, a casino was built, & 5-6 plainclothes troopers "patrol" the casino for possible gambling infractions. Not bad for a privately owned casino. The gov't cutbacks really limit the amount of training available. Right now is not a good time to be a cop. One of our posters here, "Very Poor", has a son in the PSP academy right now, looking to graduate in 8 weeks. Butch from PA
     
  19. sliverbulletexpress

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    Fighting up stairs is nearly a suicide mission, even our best military units have problems with it, and they have options a police officer doesn't. I wouldn't expect the average police officer to have much training in this kind of situation, in the end it's a judgment call on his part.

    With hindsight it's easy to be critical but these officers are hero's who went into an unknown situation to do their duty and lost their lives doing that.
     
  20. noknock1

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    gwsaucedo, bad deal with the Florida Officers and the IMPD officer... Will be there on Tuesday. 2nd LEO funeral here locally since October...
     
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