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Average card question

Discussion in 'Shooting Related Threads' started by 9point3, Jul 17, 2009.

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  1. 9point3

    9point3 Well-Known Member

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    As a new shooter with only 400 registered caps, according to last years prgram fo the Mo fall handicap it looks as if I will be shoved back to the 25 (shoot from the 20 now). How do I record on my average card that the targets that I shoot in Linn Creek are from the 25 and not the 20?

    If I happen to shoot well enough from the 25 to get a punch, should I assume that the punch ges added to the 25 and not the 20?

    Thanks
     
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    scott calhoun Well-Known Member

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    You do not designate your yardage on your average card when recording scores. Your assigned yardage is marked on the front of the card (across the top). If you shoot penalty yardage it's just that - penalty - but your assigned yardage is still the same (20).

    Anytime you get a punch it is effective from the yardage you shot from.

    Scott
     
  4. 9point3

    9point3 Well-Known Member

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    Should I asume that the ATA will take the fact that I shot penalty when they do my review?
     
  5. Old Cowboy

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    You only record the hncp score on your average card, not the yardage you shot it from.

    If you shoot well enuf' from the 25 (penalty) you'll take the punch from 25.
     
  6. ivanhoe

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    9point3 this is not being said to aggravate or flame you. You do not have to assume anything all you need to do is go to the website I have provided above.

    All the rules are there and if the rules do not answer your questions they don't matter.

    Bob Lawless
     
  7. Old Cowboy

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    Well, if we send everybody to the rulebook.........the only thing left to discuss 'll be the burning question of "7 1/2 vs 8's"?
     
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    John I looked at the thread and the questions that had been asked had been answered. As a matter of fact it had been answered three time. One of the answers was quite vague but an answer none the less.

    Of the three answers two were almost identical certainly extremely close. I didn't see what was left to discuss so I added the rulebook as a further reference to the accuracy of the answers.

    Of course now that I know that facts have no place in the discussions that you are involved in I will refrain from responding as I wouldn't want to disturb your discussion. Again I am sorry if I stepped on your toes in this discussion.

    Bob Lawless
     
  9. 9point3

    9point3 Well-Known Member

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    Thanks for the responses! As I travel a bunch and will be spending some time overseas, getting 1000 birds before the shoot won't happen.

    Still confused about how the Handicap committee handles penalty scores. I hope
    they don't hold poor scores at the 25 against me
     
  10. tom berry

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    you can always refuse the reduction based on your 1000 target review.
     
  11. scott calhoun

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    9point3 -

    I'm not sure how exactly the 1000 target reveiw would impact you. If you are at the 20 yard line the 1000 target review would only affect you if you are in a category that is eligible for shooting from the 19 yard line.

    Scott
     
  12. ivanhoe

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    scott calhoun

    "I'm not sure how exactly the 1000 target reveiw would impact you."

    Scott according to current handicap rules the minimum yardage has changed to 18 yards a new male shooter still starts on the 20 but can be reduced to the 18 yard line.

    A. HANDICAP EVENTS

    This event must be shot 5 or 10 shots at each station as directed by
    shoot management from 18 to 27 yards with each shooter in order
    shooting at one target until all have shot 5 or 10 times as directed and
    then rotating in a clockwise manner to the next post.

    Last year the rule read differently.

    "A. HANDICAP EVENTS

    This event must be shot 5 or 10 shots at each station as directed by
    shoot management from 19 to 27 yards with each shooter in order
    shooting at one target until all have shot 5 or 10 times as directed and
    then rotating in a clockwise manner to the next post.

    It still however is still reduced 1 yard at a time.

    Bob Lawless
     
  13. scott calhoun

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    Thanks Bob. For whatever reason I thought that adult males could never be reduced below 20 yards.
     
  14. ivanhoe

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    Scott they just changed it this year. The first quote was from this years rulebook and the second was from last years book.

    I found out about it from my classification partner at my club because it produced a handicap squadding change this year

    "2. In Handicap there shall be no more than two (2) yards difference
    between adjacent shooters in the squad, and no more than a total
    difference of three (3) yards in a squad. When squadding 18 yard
    shooters, there shall be no more than one yard difference between
    adjacent shooters in the squad and no more than a total difference of
    two yards in a squad."

    So it make a difference when putting squads together for handicap involving 18 yd shooters.

    Bob Lawless
     
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