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  1. bigdogtx

    bigdogtx Well-Known Member

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    If you have ever used an auto loader or own a semi...be careful with your vote and support....if they cannot be stopped for president, protect the Senate so an override can take place.

    http://pajamasmedia.com/2008/02/obama_shooting_himself_in_the.php
     
  2. slide action

    slide action Well-Known Member

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    Obama has often said he will push to ban "ALL" semi autos(that includes shotguns) No matter how the left tries to spin it, he is an anti-gunner of the worst order! I am no big McCain fan, but if Obama or the witch gets in we are sunk!
     
  3. Brian in Oregon

    Brian in Oregon Well-Known Member

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    Barack Obama will have a big problem attracting the blue-collar white voters he needs to win the presidency, writes Bob Owens: they like guns and he wants to take their guns away.<br>
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    by Bob Owens<br>
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    As she clawed for survival against Barack Obama in Wisconsin’s Democratic primary this past weekend, Hillary Clinton lamely asserted her Second Amendment bona fides over that of her rival by claiming that she once shot a duck in Arkansas.<br>
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    As pathetic a pander as that tale was, it did serve to point out one gaping weakness in the armor of the Illinois senator, a man who must rely on blue-collar white voters if he hopes to prevail first in the Democratic primaries, and later in the general election.<br>
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    The weakness? Barack Obama’s utter disdain of firearms (especially handguns) and a refusal to recognize the rights of law-abiding Americans to own the most common and relied-upon types of firearms.<br>
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    In his answers to the 1998 Illinois State Legislative National Political Awareness Test, Obama said he favored a ban on “the sale or transfer of all forms of semi-automatic weapons.”<br>
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    By definition, this would include all pistols ever made, from .22 target pistols used in the Olympics to rarely-fired pistols kept in nightstands and sock drawers for the defense of families, and every pistol in between. Obama’s strident stand would also ban all semi-automatic rifles and shotguns, whatever their previously legal purpose.<br>
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    In 1999, Obama proposed to make it a felony for the gun owner if a firearm stolen from his residence and used in a crime was not “securely stored” — effectively negating the homeowner’s right to self-defense.<br>
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    That same year, Obama bravely voted “present” on a law that would require teens 15 and older to be tried as adults for firing weapons on or near school grounds. Obama also proposed the idea of banning businesses that sell firearms from operating within five miles of a park or school — restrictions that would treat gun shops worse than “adult” businesses trafficking in pornography.<br>
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    From 1998-2001, Obama sat on the board of directors for the Joyce Foundation, a left-wing group which today funds grants to anti-gun organizations such as the Violence Policy Center (which advocates total handgun prohibition, reinstatement of the Clinton-era “assault weapons” ban, and the ban of other firearms), the Ohio Coalition Against Gun Violence (which favors the registration of all handguns, seeks to overturn Ohio’s “concealed carry” law, ban standard capacity magazines, and ban economical handguns along with many semi-automatic firearms based upon their appearance), and Handgun Free America (which advocates a complete ban on civilian handgun ownership).<br>
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    All of these organizations seek to disarm law-abiding Americans. This is the idea of “change” that they share with Barack Obama.<br>
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    On the federal stage, Obama’s brief U.S. Senate career has already seen him vote against a bill (S.397) to protect the firearms industry from those who seek to sue manufacturers, distributors, and importers for the criminal misuse of firearms by criminals, an idea akin to suing car manufacturers for damages caused by drunk drivers.<br>
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    Tellingly, Obama’s presidential campaign has sought to hide his history of trying to disarm law-abiding Americans.<br>
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    Buried deep in the “Issues” section of Obama’s web site under “Additional Issues” is a PDF document that can only be described as an attempt to talk around Obama’s real position on firearm ownership. In a section where the campaign claims to “respect” the Second Amendment, the document states:<br>
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    Millions of hunters own and use guns each year. Millions more participate in a variety of shooting sports such as sporting clays, skeet, target, and trap shooting that may not necessarily involve hunting. As a former constitutional law professor, Barack Obama understands and believes in the constitutional right of Americans to bear arms. He will protect the rights of hunters and other law-abiding Americans to purchase, own, transport, and use guns for the purposes of hunting and target shooting.<br>
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    Tellingly, Obama’s campaign only addresses the gun rights of hunters and specific shotgun-only shooting sports, and only then in vague terms.<br>
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    At no point does Obama recognize an individual right to own handguns, or explicitly recognize a right for Americans to use a firearm to defend themselves or others. The site explicitly states that Barack Obama recognizes civilian gun ownership for two just purposes, “hunting and target shooting.”<br>
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    Hillary Clinton, almost as liberal as Obama on the issue of gun control, could not take advantage of Obama’s radical, out-of-the-mainstream position on firearm ownership because she, too, holds many of the same liberal ideas.<br>
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    As America moves toward the general election, however, John McCain will have no such problems in discussing Obama’s distrust of his fellow Americans on this issue.<br>
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    McCain is hardly the poster boy for the National Rifle Association, but McCain claims to strongly support gun rights, stating, “Neither justice nor domestic peace are served by holding the innocent responsible for the acts of the criminal,” a position diametrically opposed to the record of Obama, who favors outright prohibition of many common civilian firearms.<br>
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    In August 2007, writing at the liberal blog Daily Kos, “BlueDotRedField” shared his lament on Obama’s gun control history coming back to haunt him in the diary entry “Obama gunning to lose in 2008”:<br>
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    The clear implication of this statement is that Obama believes that Chicago’s violent crimes are to be solved at a national level — since Chicago & IL already have VERY tough gun control laws that have not stopped their crime problems, and to be solved by gun control legislation specifically mentioning the 1994 “Assault Weapons Ban” and blaming Bush for that ban’s lack of renewal.<br>
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    This statement is very important for those of us lifetime Democrats who not only are more libertarian leaning (especially after 8 years under the imperial presidency of George Bush), are more rural, and who own firearms or have family/friends who do. This statement is also the battle cry that figures on the right have been waiting for from Obama just in case he could actually beat out Hillary.<br>
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    Common political wisdom has been that gun control legislation, and specifically the AWB, was [the] key handing the Congress to the right in 1994. Additionally, it played a strong part in the election and re-election of George Bush. Only recently, as we have run more centrist and rural understanding Democrats, were we able to retake Congress and have any chance at countering Bush & Co. in any way.<br>
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    And we stand at a precipice where we can hand it all right back to them.<br>
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    There seems little chance that Barack Obama can hide his real record and views of gun ownership from the American public though November’s presidential elections.<br>
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    Once his prohibitive views of firearms ownership become known to America’s millions of gun owners, they may well decide that a gun-grabbing Barack Obama promises the kind of “change” that they can’t believe in.<br>
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    Bob Owens blogs at Confederate Yankee.<br>
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  4. School Teacher

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    Brian:


    Barack Obama IMO can win the presidency without winning the blue collar white vote. He is attracting an extremely large numbers of young voters at his rallies and to his website. He is receiving donations, in small amounts from many voters, of over $1 million per day. IMO, the Clinton camp did not see this coming and are in disarray because of it. Barack Obama will be the Democratic nominee for president.


    The electorate, this year, IMO is skewed to the left. The leading issue is the economy, not gun control. Barack Obama is promising the moon and many are listening.


    Maybe, as we get nearer to November, some of the bloom may wear off the rose.


    IMO, the best hope for the Republicans to retain the white house is John McCain. I will vote for McCain because I am pro life and for remaining in Iraq until the job is done. I don’t want to see a nuclear Iran as the dominant nation is the Middle East.



    Ed Ward
     
  5. crusha

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    The writer of the article self-professes to be a Democrat, and is wringing his hands that Barack's gun views will cause their "team" to lose.


    Question: why would he not share the same concerns about Hillary, whose views are identical?



    Answer: He knows Hillary can "fool" voters better on the issue. THIS GUY DOES NOT GIVE A CRAP ABOUT GUN RIGHTS. He just wants the "appearance" of gun rights, so the democrats can win the White House. This guy is very likely a member of the Clinton Media Militia. They want the Clintons back, and are scared to death that Barack Obama will wrest the nomination away from her, then lose in November (which is just what a-holes like *me*, wink-wink, have been hoping for all along...;-)...)


    The Clinton Media Militia knows that Hillary can "talk-the-talk" on gun rights, and get enough blue collar Democrats to vote for her to win the White House. They are, essentially, counting on the stupidity of blue collar Democrats who like to hunt. They are afraid if Obama is the nominee, they will not be able to keep this incredible ruse going any longer. Even the dumbest blue collar Democrat will finally "see through it," and the charade will be over.


    Sadly...past experience on this site shows they are probably right. There is a certain type of Union member who will believe _anything_ their union tells them. If they tell them to vote for Hillary...they will do it.


    The hatchet-job of the Clinton Media Militia has begun. They feel threatened by Obama. They are going to go after him like never before. He threatens their hold on blue collar Democrats, whom they cannot win without (and many of whom will not vote for a black man).


    This is what I've been saying since New Hampshire. If you want to keep the Democrats out...you need to cross-over and vote for Obama in the Democrat primaries in your state. The Republican side is OVER...better forget it. Let's work on engineering the other side's candidacy to our benefit.


    Otherwise...


    Hillary will be President...


    You know the rest...
     
  6. halfmile

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    Oh, gee, anti union rhetoric from Buzzy.

    What a surprise.

    HM
     
  7. crusha

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    Halfie,


    The Teamsters endorsed Obama.


    You may not like to admit it, but many union members will in fact vote for exactly who the union tells them to.


    However, if the nominee is a black man...racist or not, that may be exactly what it takes to get some of the union members to think for themselves for a change, instead of just toeing the Clinton party line as usual.


    (There may not be enough difference between the parties to matter...this discussion is really only for those who think there may be)
     
  8. crusha

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    bgf...my thoughts exactly.


    But as I've said...I don't think Obama will get the nod. The Clintons have too many irons in the fire.


    Speaking of fire...can't wait to see the demo convention...when Jesse and Al complain about how Shrillary stole the nomination from Obama.
     
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