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Aurora Predictions

Discussion in 'Off Topic Threads' started by Recoil Sissy, Jul 22, 2012.

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  1. Recoil Sissy

    Recoil Sissy Active Member

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    I usually avoid predictions but I’ll make a few today…

    #1: In the near future we will learn about credible evidence that James Holmes was bug nuts. There’s a high probability a number of people with recent contact knew Holmes was nuts.

    I suspect we'll discover Holmes is incapable of distinguishing phantasy from reality and therefore, incapable of consistently distinguishing right from wrong. I doubt he has the slightest concept what a monstrous thing he has done or its effect on victims’ families.

    The first reaction of some will be to disagree. They’ll argue Holmes is an academically gifted honors student with a master's degree in neuroscience. They’ll point out he was sufficiently competent to plan and carry out a complex but God awful act. Yours truly will concede those points. They are all quite true but totally irrelevant. One needn’t be a drooling idiot to be profoundly defective.

    Mental defectives like Holmes are not to be confused with John Wayne Gacy, Jeffrey Dahmer, or BTK murdered Dennis Rader. Members of the latter group are examples of something completely different. They knew right from wrong. Knowing however, didn’t deter them from committing dozens of profoundly evil acts.

    Staying under the radar is what allowed them to continue. Friends, coworkers, etc. had no idea Gacy, Dahmer, and Rader were monsters. At least once they were identified, the appropriate course of action was obvious: arrest, convict, and execute or incarcerate. Unfortunately, that isn’t so with Holmes and those like him.

    Prediction #2: in the aftermath of this outrage society will ask the same wrong questions, get the same wrong answers, and draw the same wrong conclusions as we did with Jared Loughner.

    For those that don’t remember the name, Loughner murdered six and wounded fourteen including U.S. Rep. Gabrielle Giffords on January 8th, 2011 in Tucson. It took about five minutes to identify a long list of people that knew Loughner was bug freakin’ nuts well BEFORE his rampage.

    The question we should be asking is “why didn’t someone intervene as Loughner and Holmes were spinning out of control?”

    Here’s the reality: Family, friends, law enforcement, etc. have no authority or ability to act until AFTER a tragedy has happened. People knew Loughner was crazy as sh!thouse rat. It didn’t matter. They were powerless to act.

    Prediction #3: Political midgets are already babbling about more gun control when as a society we should be addressing the question of how to handle nut jobs before there's a tragedy. We won't do that so in relatively short order there will be another James Holmes or another Jared Loughner and another Tucson/Aurora style blood bath.

    sissy
  2. wireguy

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    A judge will declare him not sane and incapable of understanding what he did, his extensive planning and execution won't change that finding.
  3. JH

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    Hence, the stupid underlying assumption that ALL MEN ARE GOOD....any unspeakable human EVIL act flows from "mental illness" and not EVIL.....

    Those who believe there are EVIL PEOPLE in the world will continue to be frustrated by the well meaning, yet IDIOTIC assumption that all humans are good and evil acts can all be explained, and often JUSTIFIED, through psychobabble......

    Which brings up the question: Are there EVIL people in the world? Or, as most psychobabble proponents state: People are capable of EVIL acts, but, people are not evil.....they are just living out their defective genes or some sort of environmental deprivation.......or, both.....
  4. Recoil Sissy

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    Gentlemen:

    The concept of an insanity defense has been around since at least the 12th century. There have been occasional skips or omissions but different legal treatment for nut jobs has been practiced in many cultures for hundreds of years.

    In the U.S. the legalities of an insanity plea aren't consistent from one juridiction to another. They are complex and rarely successful anywhere. To Wireguy's point, if Holmes is deemed incapable of understanding the charges against him or incapable of actively participating in his own defense, he will never stand trial.

    Ignoring that very real possibility, Holmes could in some places stand trial and found "not guilty by reason of insanity". In other places "guilty but mentally ill" is possible. A defense involving diminished capacity (remember the Twinkie defense?) or a state of impairment is different than insanity but might be another possibility.

    Here's the bottom line... There's only a remote chance Holmes will ever be tried and sentenced to incarceration. Indeterminate confinement a mental facility is a near certainty.

    Consider this... While Tuscon prosecutors continue the charade of bringing Jared Loughner to justice, Loughner is cooling his heals in a Springfield, Missouri laughing academy. Smart money says Holmes will be warehoused in a similar institution somewhere.

    Regardless of any potential legal outcome, it is damned unlikely Loughner or Holmes will ever live in an unsupervised environment again. Too bad they didn't get an invitation to the bug house ball BEFORE 18 souls were slaughtered and another 70 odd maimed.

    As an aside, the p!ssing contest over gun control started today. We're already asking the wrong question to get the wrong answer so history can repeat... again.

    sissy
  5. Rick Barker

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    Prediction 3 has already come to pass.

    Fienstien was on the Chris Wallace show today demanding assault rifles and large clips be banned.

    She used the old "not needed for hunting" arguement.

    Either she knows not the history of the 2nd Amendment and that it was created to prevent an oppressive government from taking over the rights of the people, or she choses to ignore and try to make it into something else.
  6. Barrelbulge(Fl)

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    My prediction is Mr. Darryl Issa will trail the guns back to 'Fast and Furious' and Mr.Holdless. Naturally Holderless will put on his best Schultz impersonation and will deny knowing anything. I don't know nuting!
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  7. Recoil Sissy

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    Rick:

    I've been spending a lot of time lately wondering what Senator 'Einstein' thinks I need in the way of guns, ammunition, and magazine capacity for hunting, target shooting, and self defense.

    She apparently covered hunting today. When the list is complete, she can wipe her @ss with it.

    sissy
  8. JH

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    Hmmm...how about this NOVEL concept: If you are PROVEN to KILL another human being, whether you are a minor, mentally incapacitated, an idiot, a mutant, a cyclop or a zombie.....you are IMMEDIATELY EXECUTED. PERIOD.

    A person is defined by THEIR ACTIONS not by internal processes...YOUR ACTIONS DEFINE YOU!
  9. Bernie K

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    This Friday the 27th the UN is to vote on the small arms treaty. Is it at all possible that this will be the tipping grain of salt for those senators and congressmen that hold the Second Amendment in their hands? Was this a set up by someone to do just that? I think there is much more behind this assult then meets the eye.
  10. bigdogtx

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    sissy,,,,,,hussein made a reference in the days weeks and months to come he hopes we can come up with a solution so this won't happen again in the future,,,,,can't find the quote yet, but it should be available tomorrow.....

    We shall see how the senate acts if hillary signs the UN treaty in the aftermath.....
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    Here's the speech,,,,,notice the last paragraph.....

    "So thank you. God bless you. God bless all who helped to respond to this tragedy. And I hope that over the next several days, next several weeks, and next several months, we all reflect on how we can do something about some of the senseless violence that ends up marring this country, but also reflect on all the wonderful people who make this the greatest country on Earth."
  13. Stl Flyn

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    So, you believe that every single person in this country, that is not a felon, should have access to guns?

    I believe that video games that these kids can not put down, and that are in fact almost addicted, to the point that there is no difference between reality and the game, feel that they can WIN the game, if they take control outside of the game. The problem also has to do with the fact that you can't win these games. You just keep advancing to a higher level. Almost every game that has come out in recent past has violence as part of the game to advance. Why is it that nothing is being done about this? Every single incident that has happened with these mass shootings have some relation to being involved in playing these games in the past! It comes down to money, and special interest contributors.
  14. John Galt

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    stl goofy blames it on games, others blame it on guns, others blame it on movies, others blame it on public education, others blame it on the tea party, others blame it on Rush, others blame it on conservatives, others blame it on the man in the moon.

    Put the blame where it belongs- ON THE PERPETRATOR
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    Can you explain to me why this fellow(Holmes) as well as the other fellow(Loughner) are still allowed to breathe my air?! Tom Rhoads
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    Lets see, this guy makes himself look like the Joker and them mimicks a hollyweird gore scene by shooting up a theater full of people - randomly choosing the victims. Yep he is/was batshit nuts.

    A quick trial followed by a first class hangin might appeal to some yet that sort of justice does mothing to alter the behavior of those that are batshit nuts. It is not a solution anymore than is gun banning. The hard task and the one we as a society almost never talk about is getting inside of these nut cases and figuring out ways of detecting and stopping the next wack job.

    Mental illness is very scarey stuff but like it or not that is where the answers are. As a last resort we do have personal defense options - not a solution either but better than doing nothing.
  17. Stl Flyn

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    So Mr. Irrelevant (Galt),

    What is the solution?

    You should probably know the answer, because of your TS.com name. While the list you provided does include some quacks and even drug addicts, hiding behind a name like this, and being so secretive, might just qualify you as a person to watch, for the next shooting spree.
  18. rpeerless

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    Sociology says that anyone is capable of murder.

    There are no designated nut cases. Anyone can become a nut case at any given place or time. This is why the proponents of gun control are after guns. This is the very psychology that is used. "We can't trust anyone with firearms."

    Often with cases like this, this being Aurora, we read headlines "Neighbors say he was a quiet man". Does that mean that all quiet men are suspect for a 'potential mass killing'?

    No, we keep our firearms because we know human nature is such as it is. And we reserve the God given right to protect ourselves from it.
  19. Recoil Sissy

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    wolfram:

    Thanks for your post. You are spot on.

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    Bangalore:

    You wrote, "If you are PROVEN to KILL another human being, whether you are a minor, mentally incapacitated, an idiot, a mutant, a cyclop or a zombie.....you are IMMEDIATELY EXECUTED. PERIOD."

    With the exception of mutants, cyclops and zombies and ignoring problems with reasonable due process, your suggestion will never come to pass and it shouldn't. The entire concept of justice is based on holding people accountable for behavior they understand. Not everyone does.

    Children under the age of 5 sometimes shoot sibiblings, parents, or themselves.(see footnote below) The developing brains of children this young are incapable of understanding death, murder, and criminal intent. A substantial number of people with mental issues fall into the same category.

    Here's the bottom line... If a child or someone that's mentally ill, mentally deficient, or mentally impaired isn't capable of understanding right from wrong in a legal sense, society simply can't hold them legally accountable - regardless of what they've done. That notion has been around in excess of a thousand years.

    ** You can Google "toddler shoots" for examples of children as young as two or three accidentally shooting someone.

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    Stl Flyn:

    You wrote, "Every single incident that has happened with these mass shootings have some relation to being involved in playing these games in the past!"

    Many perps committing multiple shootings played vid games. They also have a history of eating burgers and playing pocket pool. There are lots of meaningless correlations. What we need to identify are causal factors and variables that serve as predictors of future behavior.

    As an aside, I believe almost every citizen should have access to firearms if they so choose. I wouldn't exclude certain non-violent felons. I would exclude anyone with a history of inappropriate violence whether the behavior resulted in a felony conviction or not.

    sissy
  20. rpeerless

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    Also mass killing is not a new phenonomeon. Herod in the Bible is a good example and throughout history, Po Pot, Hitler, etc. It's just that these killers rose to power and positions of government.

    Perhaps, it's how we deal with them that has changed.
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