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Attendance facts from 2012

Discussion in 'Shooting Related Threads' started by Dr.Longshot, Feb 13, 2013.

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  1. Dr.Longshot

    Dr.Longshot Banned Banned

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    Attendance facts from 2012 per ATA RECORDS
    Spring Grand 2205

    Southern Grand 1634

    Dixie Grand 1057

    North Eastern Grand 1031

    Central Zone 1285

    Eastern Zone 1116

    Southern Zone 958

    South Western Zone 1104

    Western Zone 1785

    Ohio State Shoot 2840

    Pennsylvania State Shoot 2709

    Buckeye Classic 2021

    Cardinal Classic 2298

    Missouri Fall Hdcp 1476

    Keystone Pa. 1442

    Colonial Classic Pa. 1358

    California 1246

    Florida 1032

    Illinois 1288

    Indiana 1129

    Iowa 1559

    Minnesota 1088


    Look at what Pennsylvania and Ohio State shoot attendance and all of the Cardinal Shoots for comparasion, what do you surmise is happening,

    Pa. and Oh. are leading all attendance statistics, someone is doing things right

    Gary Bryant
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  2. jim brown

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    I surmise that you are leaving the western shoots out because they don't fit into your flawed model. Where is the Spring Grand and the Atumn Grand?


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  3. Dr.Longshot

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    Fact Cardinal Classic is leading all ATA Sattelite Grands and Buckeye Classic is Third Overall Then Southern 4th and Missouri Fall Hdcp 5th,
    The Spring Grand is 2nd place


    Gary Bryant
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  4. jim brown

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    Is that why you left it out, to skew the numbers toward Ohio ?

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  5. Dr.Longshot

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    I listed the Spring Grand on first line, and that is all the Sattelite grands listed by the ATA in 2012, where was the Autumn Grand held?

    No Flaws just the facts madam, just the facts.

    I suggest you go to the ATA Attendance website and verify the largest shoots held nothing less than a THOUSAND WAS CONSIDERED.

    Those were just interesting facts supporting Brad Dysinger's thread from last year on itrapshooter.

    Gary Bryant
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  6. jim brown

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    You should get a job with Obama making up statistics for the gun grab.


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  7. BigM-Perazzi

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    The Cardinal shoots aren't satellite grands. Ohio and pennsy have always been the largest, what's your real point???
     
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    His point is that if you ain't Ohio or Pennsylvannia, you are not a real trapshooter. And certainly not in his league
     
  9. BILL GRILL

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    Don't see The Gtreat Lakes Grand?
     
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    Why did you mix grands with state shoots?

    "Pa. and Oh. are leading all attendance statistics, someone is doing things right" Couldn't be because there are more shooters there (or in the area) could it?



    Iowa is the 3rd largest State shoot but apparently since we are west of the Mississippi we aren't on your kind of map. lol

    By the way I hope Brad has turn signals on his ass because if he turned with out warning you would break your nose!!
     
  11. ivanhoe

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    Welcome to facts according to the DR. They don't take a lot into consideration but just remember they must be true as Longsh*t told you so.

    Bob Lawless
     
  12. Tony Fortino

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    Just think of the attendance if they would accept the new categories
     
  13. Setterman

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    Tony, In a few more years you'll experience:

    material + labor + expenses - income = balance sheet. If you can add the catgories and stay in the black plus keep the bank and investors happy...knock your self out.

    Talk to the club managers and see what they say.

    Lets hope it's not "minus income"
     
  14. Ken Brandt

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    Hey Bob;

    Don't you know, everything you read on the internet is real and truthful..LOL

    Ken
     
  15. ivanhoe

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    Ken you must have that on the internet. Right?????

    Bob Lawless
     
  16. RickNE

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    If you really wanted to see "who's doing it right" wouldn't you want to look at attendance numbers of each of these shoots over a period of time (ie 15 years) to see which are growing and which are declining?

    A snapshot of 2012 attendance tells me very little.

    Just saying...
     
  17. Setterman

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    FlaLagarto, That's the ATA's way of looking at it. The number of attendees is secondary. Have more events over a longer period of time and expect fewer shooters to shoot more targets.

    Poor plan for growth.
     
  18. jim brown

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    Roger, you might find your way out of Phoenix and come to Tucson to see what growth looks like.

    jim brown
     
  19. spitter

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    Maybe those interested PA and OH trapshooters should withdraw from the ATA entirely and join the soon-to-be-created CTA... the Cardinal Trapshooting Association...
     
  20. Setterman

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    FlaLagarto, You are the one that mentioned "Targets thrown" as the most important item. It's true, it is important for the bottom line at a shoot, but membership and attendance indicates the strength of the base and the draw of the shoot event.

    If the number of events at the 2012 Grand are equal to those at for example the 92' Grand, targets thrown would be comparable, and that applies to any shoot in the US. If the existing membership has the time and resources to attend those shoots and make up the target difference, it helps the event, but not the growth of the ATA.

    I'm concerned over the direction our sport is heading. People on here can blame it as an "Ohio thing", but it's not. The lack of growth, or even maintaining membership is scary. We can't ignore it.

    Like I said in a previous post "When membership drops from 80,000 to 20,000, someone better pay attenetion". This isn't just a Grand problem, it's a memebership and attendance problem.
     
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