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Discussion in 'Shooting Related Threads' started by Oscar Ray, Oct 23, 2011.

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  1. Oscar Ray

    Oscar Ray TS Member

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    Why is it that you have to be a "Life Member" to vote in ATA elections? Why are annual members excluded? It is not cost effective for me to pay for a Life Membership, as I got into this game late in life. I plan to be a member for the rest of my life, but who says I am gonna live to be 90 or so?

    I was just wondering!

    Oscar
     
  2. Ed Y

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    Where does it say that you have to be a life member to vote. Did they change something? I thought that you only have to be a member to run for office.

    Ed Yasnchok
     
  3. MTA Tom

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    Section II, A, 1: "Annual Members, who have been active members (e.g., having registered targets) in any two (2) target years, are entitled to vote for the State/Provincial Delegate and Alternate(s), at the annual business meeting of the State or Province."

    Section II, A, 2: "Only Life Members may hold office in the ATA."
     
  4. Oscar Ray

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    Why is it that you have to be a "Life Member" to vote in ATA elections? Why are annual members excluded? It is not cost effective for me to pay for a Life Membership, as I got into this game late in life. I plan to be a member for the rest of my life, but who says I am gonna live to be 90 or so?

    I was just wondering!

    Oscar
     
  5. Ed Y

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    Where does it say that you have to be a life member to vote. Did they change something? I thought that you only have to be a member to run for office.

    Ed Yasnchok
     
  6. MTA Tom

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    Section II, A, 1: "Annual Members, who have been active members (e.g., having registered targets) in any two (2) target years, are entitled to vote for the State/Provincial Delegate and Alternate(s), at the annual business meeting of the State or Province."

    Section II, A, 2: "Only Life Members may hold office in the ATA."
     
  7. Joe Potosky

    Joe Potosky Well-Known Member

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    Stir the pot

    Someone who loves to proliferate the tension and drama between 2 or more feuding people/groups in public to get a raise of people in hopes of starting a shitstorm of drama and uncomfortable conflict, sometimes for personal gain but oftentimes just for the thrill of confrontation.
     
  8. BigM-Perazzi

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    Pot stirrer - one who assumes his buddies wife's girlfriend's husband's uncle, who doesn't shoot ATA, knows the rules, said...
     
  9. jevoliva

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    What is your definition of "zone director" -- if you mean ATA Zone (comprising of multiple states, i.e. Central, Southern, etc), then yes, since these zone directors (actually VPs) are ATA Delegates.

    Some states use "zone director" for elections for their state association. If you need to be a life member will be answered by your state's bylaws.

    Bottom line, if you run for ATA delegate to represent your state, you must be a Life Member. To become a zone VP, you must be elected from the pool of state delegates, so you must be a life member. If you want to hold any other office in the ATA (secretary, treasurer, etc) you must be a life member. The rules at the state level will be dependent on the state bylaws.
     
  10. Barry C. Roach

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    For those that find this notion offensive, the life membership was not meant to be a money saving instrument. I think the reason for the rule is the notion that being a life member shows a greater commitment to the association's future.

    If you don't agree with the notion then you will have to campaign to change that part of our bylaws.
     
  11. Oscar Ray

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    Ok, my mistake, You have to be a life member to hold office, but you can only vote in state elections if you have 2 consecutive yrs of targets. Was not trying to stir any pots.

    Oscar Ray
     
  12. V10

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    The rule doesn't say anything about the years being consecutive.
     
  13. Barry C. Roach

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    I thought it was a good question.
     
  14. over/under

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    Does that mean a 3 year life member is more knowledgable than a 10 year annual member? I kinda doubt it!
     
  15. trapshootin hippie

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    What does knowledge have to do with anything? lol

    GneJ
     
  16. BigM-Perazzi

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    A Life Membership is a commitment.
     
  17. ivanhoe

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    Just for clarity the rule says,

    Annual Members have all the shooting rights and privileges of Life Members, but may hold no office in the ATA. Annual Members, who have been active members (e.g., having registered targets) in any two (2) target years, are entitled to vote for the State/Provincial Delegate and Alternate(s), at the annual business meeting of the State or Province.

    That give membership right on voting and holding office. I do believe the reason for being a life member to hold office had something to do with life members being called upon to contribute money in tough times. On the older Life Member certificates it is explained. It isn't on the newer life member paper work.

    This is one of the reasons that Dr. Scumbag complained so long and loud not so long back about it. It seems their was also some language about liquidations benefits to life members that aren't there any longer.

    Bob Lawless
     
  18. jevoliva

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    Oscar -- it was a VERY good question -- there is a lot of confusion out there about the difference between an ATA State Delegate and the people that help run the state organization (sometimes they are called directors, sometimes delegates - hence the confusion).
     
  19. nameisjoe

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    Its sad that someone that does not participate in our sport (Bob) gets on the forum and again calls members names.

    That is what trolls do but I wish they would do it somewhere else.
     
  20. ivanhoe

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    While you are at it Joe enlighten us as to the definition of participate. I would like you to tell me what it is that you think I don't do that bother you so oh so much.

    Or do you just blow a heavy wind like your bosom buddy Scumbag. You seem to know more about my life than I do. So I think you should put up or shut up.

    Bob Lawless
     
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