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ATA & Olympics

Discussion in 'Shooting Related Threads' started by OldGoat, Aug 27, 2012.

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  1. OldGoat

    OldGoat Well-Known Member

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    Maybe this has been answered/discussed before and I don't want to get "flamed", but is there a reason the Amateur Trapshooting Association "big dogs" don't ever represent the U.S. in the Olympics like the amateur basketball players do?

    Yes, I know the game is rather different, but shouldn't the U.S. find a ATA shooter who can compete? Just wondering and asking. Regards, Ed
     
  2. hmb

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    Amateur basketball players, what olympics did you watch? The pros won the gold medal. Same with tennis, the pros won the medals. HMB
     
  3. BigM-Perazzi

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    No amateurs since the 30's....
     
  4. yakimaman

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    ATA does not shoot Olympic Trap (bunker)
     
  5. Baber

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    Old Goat...

    Some of the "Big Dogs" did shoot for the US team. When they retired they started shooting ATA. Comparing Olympic Trap to ATA is like PGA Golf to Putt Putt. The level of expertise required at Bunker is much greater. Witness Mike Herman of Colorado. Mike was the Alternate for the 2004 Olympic Team. After he retired he went back to shooing ATA. Some people in Colorado wished he had not. He cleaned out one clubs coffers by running q 100 from the 27 and also ran one of the few perfect 300's. He did this all with his Perazzi Bunker Gun! Ray Stafford is a former member of the US Team.

    We do need more bunkers in this country so that we can get some of these talented Juniors to shoot for the US team.

    Tom
     
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    What Tom said.

    We had a fellow who is new to ATA, and has shot ONE 25 in it, shoot a TWENTY-TWO his first time on the Bunker field!

    He was more surprised than I.
     
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    There is nothing preventing ATA shooters from competing in open competition for representation on the USA shotgun team. USA Shooting welcomes all shooters.

    But like most games, we tend to stick with what we do best and bunker targets ARE more difficult to hit than ATA targets. It's not the speed or the deeper angles - its the combination of speed and deeper angles that gets most shooters in trouble. Inside the 30 degree arc all shooters, ATA and bunker shooters alike can hit those targets for high percentage. Outside the 30 degree arc the percentages fall off dramatically with ATA shooters really struggling. This is not anecdotal, I've done the stats and scored the rounds.
     
  8. hmb

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    We shoot ATA trap, the rest of the world shoots Bunker Trap. Do you get the picture? HMB
     
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    I would guess a majority of the shooters in the country don't live within 6 hours drive of a bunker trap.
     
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    oleolliedawg Banned User Banned TS Supporters

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    hmb, we have more ATA shooters at a nice shoot than the entire world has bunker boys. Most bunker shooters are American Trap washouts!!
     
  11. hmb

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    Is that why we couldn't qualify anybody for mens trap in this years olympics? HMB
     
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    hmb, that's because the best shotgun shooters in the USA aren't trinket shooters. There's more money in winning Handicap events and running clinics than collecting medals!!
     
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    Why shoot Bunker when you can make a lot more $$$ shooting ATA? It would also hurt their sponsors. Harlan has been on advertisements for Glasses, Ammo, shotgun, etc.
     
  14. Baber

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    Skeet Man .... You are right on target. We don't have the facilities to train athletes for the demands of Olympic Trap. You can build 3 ATA fields for the price a bunker. We are gradually building more bunkers but its a slow process of only 2-3 a year. This year we added new bunkers in Nashville and in Kansas. We lose a lot of great talent to ATA because there is no place to train.

    HMB... There are only a hand full of good bunker shooter in this country. To win a quote slot one must win one of the few World Cups. There are only 4 per year and not everyone has a quote slot available. Our shooters were not on at the right time. Ryan Hadden of the Army won 3 world cups in the last 4 years but none of them had a quota slot.

    Olympic trap is the toughest Clay Target game in the world. People should not bad mouth it till they have shot it. I have seen bunker humble some of the "big dogs".

    Tom
     
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    The late Frank Little, who also shot bunker, always felt the 27 yd. line was the greatest equalizer. Of course, that was in the day of 3-hole targets and real pullers!!
     
  16. pufftarget

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    Frank Little made several US bunker teams, most on wobble traps. Someone name a win he had at a world level. He also said that the shooter who could make a second barrel shot w/ the 1 oz. (28 gr) foremat was just lucky. Must be REAL luck to do it w/ 24 gr. and shoot a 125.

    Chuck
     
  17. hmb

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    Shooters do not get quota slots, countries get quota slots. HMB
     
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    Shooters earn the quota spots for their country, then the country can distribute them within that sport as they see fit.
     
  19. Baber

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    Skeet Man...

    Yes... Someone wins a Trap Slot then USA Shooting can give it to the best shooter in the trap selection matches.

    T
     
  20. Baber

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    Pufftarget...

    Things changed in the late 80's requiring the quota slots. This means that someone from a country must be good enough to win a quota slot in a World Cup.

    T
     
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