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ATA Hall of Fame Rem. 90T WTT

Discussion in 'Want to Buy/Trade Threads' started by gyrine, Jul 24, 2011.

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  1. gyrine

    gyrine TS Member

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    I have a friend who just got a Remington 90T ATA Hall of Fame with original Remington Americase case Kansas State. Gun looks mint to me. Number on reciver and forearm iron is HF-34-KS. He would like to trade for Colorado issue if in like condition. I would like to hear some history on this particular issue. Thanks, Rich
     
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    Here you go, straight from the 90T expert:

    From: GunDr
    Email: info@dougsgunsmithshop.com
    Date: Mon, Jul 06, 2009 - 08:52 AM ET
    Website Address: http://www.dougsgunsmithshop.com


    It's been a while, but I'll try to recall some numbers during production.
    About 3800 guns were produced. I know definitely there were no serial numbers over 4000.
    The production serial numbers started with ST00100. There are a few guns less than that, but they were all special orders, and not all of them had "real" numbers. Some of the "numbers" had the owners initials as part of the serial number, some had birthdates, some had wedding dates.
    All of the guns produced were produced with the same quality, from start to finish. True, there were some changes.....
    Maybe to serial number 1200-ish, the bores were larger, around .747"-.755". This was impart because Remington furnished the blanks already hammer forged to .745". With consecutive bbl shipments, they kept tightening them up at our (Kolar Arms) request. Eventually, we were able to provide a finished bore at .742"-.745", with about .033" choke.
    The hi-rib adjustable 90-T had tighter bores from the start...738" with .040" choke.
    A mechanical change took place around serial number 2600, give or take 150. This change was to replace the 10 degree angle of the locking bolt and the lugs on the bbl to 8 degrees. The 10 degree angle definitely gave the life of the bolt maybe 40k rounds, but at 20k or so, it would no longer hold itself to the bbl lugs, and it would want to pop out of the lugs during a shot.(the top lever would move). With the 8 degree angle it would not. This may have shortened the life a bit, but still, 30k-35k is still a lot of shooting. Most all break-open guns are that anyway.
    The forend update you may hear or read about from me was never done to any gun during production. I started doing them while I was still at Kolar, but it was 2 years after the end of production. The angled little "shoe" was/is the weak link in the gun. I was replacing some as many as 2-3 times a year on the same gun. The update did away with the sharp angles, and allows the new insert to freely position itself behinf the lug on the bbl squarely.
    As for the wood, the early guns had nice figure with "kind-of" an orange(y) color. As more shipments arrived, the finish darkened up to a more uniform brown. This was to help us not to spend so much time matching buttstocks to forends. The wood was furnished by Reinhart Fajen.
    There were 4 options for wood dimensions....
    #1...1-1/4" MC
    #2...1-3/8" MC
    #3...1-1/2" MC
    #4...1-1/2" straight comb
    All of the hi rib guns had an adjustable stock.
    Early production guns could be had as special orders, with many options...adj combs, adj pads, porting, choke tubes(Kolar tubes), extra triggers, release triggers, extra bbls(including a few 32" bbls).
    I belive it was 1991 that 50 guns were produced for the ATA, one for each state. They had a little engraving on them, including the shape of the corresponding state on one sideplate and the ATA logo on the other. I don't recall how they were serialized (maybe someone may have one and could fill this part in).
    Not all of the "state" guns were sold, and they were sent back to Remington and parted out. During the big regime change at Remington, the employees were able to piece guns back together and purchase any firearm that was still available in the warehouse. So, some of those parted out "state" guns got put back into circualation, but with mis-matched parts.
    I hope this helps fill in any holes to the 90-T lovers (I love my 90-T).
    Doug Braker
     
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    Doug, Thanks a bunch for that information, just great. Rich
     
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    You got a PM.
     
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    The state's abreviation and its order into the Union were part of the serial number. A Pennsylvania shooter was the only bidder for the South Carolina gun and bought it for the minimum bid, which was $3,300. He later sold it in unfired condition to another local shooter who uses it for his everyday singles and handicap gun.

    Prior to it being sold, I tried raffling it off during our winter trap league but was unable to sell enough tickets to cover the gun's cost. Its serial number or part of it is SC-8.

    They were the first 50 90-Ts made for public consumption. I tried to buy a standard gun as soon as they were announced by Remington but was told the 50 ATA HoF guns would be made first and that was expected to account for the first year's production. I finally tired of waiting and bought a KS-5.

    Ed
     
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    Many production 90T's were out before the state guns.
     
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