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Article V Convention Option

Discussion in 'Politics, Elections & Legislation' started by otnot, Sep 21, 2010.

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  1. otnot

    otnot Active Member

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    The last convention was called for 1787. Is it time again? It is probably the last chance we have to take back control from our government. Go to the site above for more information. There is currently 20 states of the required 34 to call for a convention. This site is the only I can find that has a list of states: Cut and paste: https://www.convusa.com/

    Article V:

    The Congress, whenever two thirds of both Houses shall deem it necessary, shall propose Amendments to this Constitution, or, on the Application of the Legislatures of two thirds of the several States, shall call a Convention for proposing Amendments, which, in either Case, shall be valid to all Intents and Purposes, as part of this Constitution, when ratified by the Legislatures of three fourths of the several States, or by Conventions in three fourths thereof, as the one or the other Mode of Ratification may be proposed by the Congress; Provided that no Amendment which may be made prior to the Year One thousand eight hundred and eight shall in any Manner affect the first and fourth Clauses in the Ninth Section of the first Article; and that no State, without its Consent, shall be deprived of its equal Suffrage in the Senate.

    Our forefathers were forward looking men.

    Jim
     
  2. Brian in Oregon

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    The result would be civil war.

    A Constitutional Convention renders the Constitution and the Bill of Rights null and void. A completely new one must replace it.

    Does anyone here honestly think there would be a Second Amendment in a new Constitution? Or any Constitutional restraints upon the federal government?

    I'd rather keep the Constitution and the Bill of Rights we already have, and defend them, rather than scrap them.
     
  3. crusha

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    I'm with Brian on this. It's a free-for-all. You cannot control the outcome.


    I'm always a little curious, whenever I hear somebody bring this up...what is their "hot button" issue? What one issue is it, that convinces you to want to take a chance like this?


    Surely, it must be something better-defined than just, "things are out of control" or "we need a change?"
     
  4. wireguy

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    The change that needs to take place is the American people. For as long as they remain the socialist minded fools they have been for the last 60 years NOTHING is going to improve under ANY circumstances.
     
  5. otnot

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    Why does a convention nullify the constitution or the bill of rights. It allows the states to make an amendment to the constitution only if 38 states agree. Term limits comes to mind along with abolising lobbyist for an admendment. A balanced budget. We have to do the dirty work that politicians will never attempt if the people are ever going gain control of our future.

    Our forefathers were foresighted enough to see a day when the government would no longer represent the people and put the V amendment in for just that reason. We either have to rein them in peacefully or we will end up throwing them out with force.

    My one issue is Freedom! We are losing it a little more every day. I fear the day when my childrens children will no longer be able to even discuss this issue.
     
  6. Bisi

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    A constitutional convention would be chaos. Could we could control it? Yes, with the frequent and Judaist application of the rifle and bayonet, we could control it. However the American people don’t have the stomach for that in this day and age.
     
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    We just need to make it a law that you must be a property owner to vote.


    Also enact a law that when you sue someone the loser pays.


    Between those 2 laws it'd straighten out alot of the crap going on today.
     
  8. Brian in Oregon

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    Evidently some folks weren't paying attention in high school civics class.

    An AMENDMENT can be added, or deleted, from the Bill of Rights if 38 states sign for it. Several amendments have been added since the original Bill of Rights was ratified. Some were not very good ideas.

    A CONSTITUTIONAL CONVENTION flushes the existing Constitution and Bill of Rights, and we start all over again.

    I can think of nothing as dangerous as this, not even martial law. Given the high degree of socialist thinking in this country, we're liable to wind up with a very socialist constitution and a joke for a bill of rights. Imagine a constitution and bill of rights that sanctions in writing many of the goofball liberal 'rights" we've been fighting for years. This would be a socialist dream come true.

    This would also be a sure fire way to start a civil war, because a lot of Americans would not go along with it. And they'd not be fighting their own country. For all practical purposes the country they swore allegiance to would not longer exist.
     
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    THE HOT BUTTON TOPIC IS TO REMOVE THE FEDERAL SUPREMACY CLAUSE.
    That in itself is worth going to war for.
    You above who say no and give excuses, leave, there are more like me than like you. Never forget that. LEE
     
  10. Brian in Oregon

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    I guess someone is eager to flush our Constitution and Bill of Rights.
     
  11. crusha

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    People are hungry for a one-swoop, "win all the marbles" solution.


    They don't grasp that they have to put all their own marbles at risk, in order to get a chance at the other guy's.
     
  12. Brian in Oregon

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    Exactly, buzzy.

    And once it hits the fan, it's winner take all. Because winners don't compromise with losers.
     
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  14. shot410ga

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    Winners always make the rules at the end. With 300 million armed citizens, a constitutional convention would end in the mother of all civil wars. And are any of you so sure your side will be the winner?
     
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    sporting arms are no match for tanks and Bradley fighting vehicles. What the military would do is unclear.

    A new constitution would be rife with gay and abortion crap, and all manner of other lunacy.

    I'm with Brian on this one.

    HM
     
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    All this talk of choas is BS. The last amendment was the 27 which was first proposed in 1789 and adopted in 1992. There have been 6 or 7 since the 1950s. One which is known by everyone as limiting president to 2 terms.

    Bill
     
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    What a bunch of crap you libs write.
    Who is going to man a tank or bradley and then open fire on his people for WHO, you joke.
    Sporting arms, HUH, govt troll.
    Let me tell you of one new old gun game, that answers the sporting arms BS govt thinks about. One of them:
    Its called 3 gun! Each shooter has a AR15 .223 a semi auto most are better than what the govt buys. They shoot faster, more accurate and dont jamb at all.
    The next gun is a semi auto shotgun in 12 G the best money can buy will last forever.
    The last gun is a semiauto pistol.
    Prizes for first place sometime are $5 to $10K.
    The course of fire is same as ranger,delta training
    Do I have your attention, this is but one, Oh I forgot, women shoot well in that game. How would you do firing a pistol from a zip line going downhill at 15 MPH.
    One sporting arm I own a Browning semi in .308 with a slight mod the built im magazine removes to be replaced with one from a M14 will burn out at about 20K rounds, so says browning.
     
  18. otnot

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    Brian I cannot find anything about the current Constitution or the Bill of rights are voided if a convention is convened.

    An article V convention would take away the Federal Goverments power over the states an drastically reduce the power of the Supreme Court to rule on amendments. The above linke is pretty good.
     
  19. halfmile

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    slic, were you out of diapers when Kent State happened? Your question was answered there a few decades ago.

    HM
     
  20. Brian in Oregon

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    Bill, quote: <i>"All this talk of choas is BS. The last amendment was the 27 which was first proposed in 1789 and adopted in 1992. There have been 6 or 7 since the 1950s. One which is known by everyone as limiting president to 2 terms."</i>

    What's BS is not understanding the difference between adding (or deleting) amendments vs flushing what we have and starting over from scratch.

    For those who want to broaden their education, start here:

    Who Needs a New Constitutional Convention?
     
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