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Arizona CCW closer to demise

Discussion in 'Politics, Elections & Legislation' started by Zuzax, Apr 8, 2010.

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  1. Zuzax

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    Concealed-gun permit is closer to its demise (Az)

    , Arizona Daily Star ^ | March 30, 2010

    By a 20-10 margin, the Senate voted Monday to remove the permit requirement for those who want to carry a concealed weapon.

    Sen. Russell Pearce, R-Mesa, sponsor of SB 1108, said all adults are permitted to carry weapons openly in Arizona. He said there is no reason for otherwise law-abiding residents to have to attend a class and go through a background check just to put a weapon under a jacket or in a purse.

    The House already has given preliminary approval to an identical measure and should have a final vote later this week, sending the measure to Gov. Jan Brewer.

    Health care: Legislation introduced Monday by all 18 Senate Republicans and 35 in the House would authorize Gov. Jan Brewer to file suit to challenge federal health-care legislation.

    The measure, requested by Brewer, comes after Attorney General Terry Goddard, a Democrat, refused to join a suit by other states to challenge the right of the federal government to mandate that all people purchase health care.

    The legislation, set for a hearing today, also seeks to forbid the government from mandating that anyone purchase health insurance and bars state officials from collecting any penalties on those who refuse to sign up.

    Voter mandates: The House voted Monday to seek permission to undo programs that voters have required the state to provide or fund.

    HCR 2039 would partly, and temporarily, repeal a 1988 constitutional amendment that bars lawmakers from altering anything the voters themselves have approved. The 31-25 vote sends the measure to the Senate.

    But the last word will be up to voters, who would have to agree to the change in November.

    Backers said lawmakers need flexibility when state revenues run short.

    Elections: State lawmakers gave final approval Monday to legislation designed to inform voters when corporations and unions are spending money to influence elections.

    HB 2788, which now goes to Brewer, would require corporations and unions to publicly disclose when they spend money on statewide, legislative or local races.

    http://azstarnet.com/article_e7123579-532a-5e9e-afa4-b6b3d61960df.html
     
  2. rd

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    If the ccw permit is no longer issued or required in Arizona, how would your reciprocity work for other states while you were traveling? I don't believe other states would simply allow ALL Arizona residents to carry concealed while traveling. Just something to consider.
     
  3. W.P.T.

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    The CCW would be eliminated in the State of Arizona but when traveling Arizona residents would still need a CCW to carry in other states ... The elimination of the law would only pertain to Arizona residents and not to visitors who winter or travel to and from Arizona ... If the state you live in had a reciprocity with Arizona you can still carry but with your permit only ... There was a long dragged out discussion on one of the local information channels (45) on the television a couple of weeks ago and it explained all of the ins and outs about the repealing of the CCW permits within the State of Arizona ... WPT ... (YAC) ...
     
  4. halfmile

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    Mash the link for more firearms fun. The feds just may get their teeth pulled if they're not careful. That would suit me just fine.

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  5. W.P.T.

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    Ariz. House approves concealed weapons bill
    By JONATHAN J. COOPER, Associated Press Writer Jonathan J. Cooper, Associated Press Writer 1 hr 8 mins ago



    PHOENIX – The Arizona House voted Thursday to make the state the third in the nation to allow people to carry concealed weapons without a permit, sending the governor a bill that would allow Arizonans to forego background checks and classes that are now required.


    The legislation, approved by the House 36-19 without discussion, would make it legal for most U.S. citizens 21 or older to carry a concealed weapon in Arizona without the permit now required. Currently, carrying a hidden firearm without a permit is a misdemeanor punishable by up to six months in jail and a fine of up to $2,500.


    Sen. Russell Pearce, a Mesa Republican who sponsored the measure, said last week that he added changes requested by Gov. Jan Brewer's office, an indication that she is likely to sign it. The governor can sign or veto the measure, or allow it to become law without action.



    If the legislation is enacted, Arizona would join Alaska and Vermont in not requiring permits to carry concealed weapons. Forty-five other states require permits for hidden guns, and two states — Illinois and Wisconsin — prohibit them altogether.



    Supporters say gun restrictions only affect people who want to follow the rules because criminals will carry hidden guns regardless of the law. Nearly all adults can carry a weapon openly in Arizona, and they shouldn't face additional restrictions when they want to hide the weapon, supporters argue.



    "What's dangerous is when they're in criminals' hands, not citizens' hands," said Rep. David Gowan, R-Sierra Vista, a bill sponsor.


    Opponents argue legalizing concealed weapons will make it easier for criminals to carry them, endangering police. They also worry the bill would lead to more accidental gun discharges by people not adequately trained in firearm safety.



    "We wouldn't give people driver's licenses without requiring training or testing. Why would we give people the ability to carry a concealed weapon anywhere?" said Rep. Steve Farley, D-Tucson.



    There are more than 154,000 active concealed weapon permits in Arizona.



    Under the measure, Arizonans would still be subject to the background checks federal law requires when buying firearms from a store. People carrying a concealed weapon would be required to tell a police officer if asked, and the officer could temporarily take the weapon while communicating with the gun carrier.



    Under the legislation, permits still could be obtained on an optional basis so Arizonans could carry concealed weapons in states with reciprocity agreements. Permits also would be required to carry weapons in bars and restaurants that serve alcohol.



    With the elevation of Brewer to the governor's office, Arizona gun-rights advocates have had a wave of success over the past two years.




    The state in 2009 loosened its gun laws to lift a ban on guns in establishments that serve alcohol, although gun-bearers still cannot drink alcohol and establishments can ban firearms.




    Brewer, a Republican who took office in January 2009, signed that measure into law. Her predecessor, Democrat Janet Napolitano, vetoed several measures pushed by gun-rights supporters before resigning to run the U.S. Homeland Security Department.



    On Monday, Brewer signed two bills loosening gun restrictions. One bill broadened the state's current restrictions on local governments' ability to regulate or tax guns and ammunition.



    The other bill declares that guns manufactured entirely in Arizona are exempt from federal oversight and are not subject to federal laws restricting the sale of firearms or requiring them to be registered.
     
  6. Big Az Al

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    since my questions are very close to maddogs.

    If the ccw permit is no longer issued or required in Arizona, how would your reciprocity work for other states while you were traveling? I don't believe other states would simply allow ALL Arizona residents to carry concealed while traveling. Just something to consider.

    It looks like there is an option to still get a CCW for those of us that want one.

    having the CCW were the store makes a photo copy and places it with the fed form, as the background check is complete.

    And carrying outside of the state of Arizona

    As long as there still is a permit option for those of us that worry about those things? I do like the change

    Al Lingham
     
  7. W.P.T.

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    Big AZ,
    Everyone of the questions you asked are answered in the posting above yours ... You did read it, didn't you ..? WPT ... (YAC) ...
     
  8. Big Az Al

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    WPT,

    I did but it was to me clear as mud. Or maybe just read to me as propposed provissions to the law

    So I thought I would put clearly stated concerns or thoughts of what I and some other Arizonians feel we need on the thread.

    got to get my 2 cents in somehow!

    AL
     
  9. W.P.T.

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    Al,

    "Clear as Mud", if was spelled out any more than it is above even a CaveMan would understand it ... Little play on words there like the commercial on the television ... I have a CCW and will keep it in force no matter what they change the law to, so it will not effect me in anyway, shape, or form ... The Bad guys already have and carry guns, they can care less about laws and being legal ... I want to be well covered, just in case ... You never know, you know ..? WPT ... (YAC) ...
     
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