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Are the wealthy entitled to keep their wealth?

Discussion in 'Off Topic Threads' started by JBrooks, Jan 9, 2009.

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  1. JBrooks

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    [W]e’ve been guided by a Republican administration who believes in the simplistic notion that people who have wealth are entitled to keep it, and they have an antipathy towards the means of redistributing wealth.

    -Rep. Jim Moran (D-VA)

    So do you agree with Jim Moran the Democrat/Communist?
     
  2. grunt

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    You earn it you keep it.
     
  3. Bocephas

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    Strange the poll I seen yesterday claims all households with a Million net worth or more have lost 30% of their wealth.

    The mess we are in now everyone is going to lose.

    Ask the people that invested with Madoff,Wall Street etc.

    For your question,yes they made it and they should keep it.

    There is no Robin Hood.I think we have one going into the White House.

    Bo
     
  4. 391 shooter

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    Wonder how much Jim Moran is willing to just give up to the masses, damn little I suspect, he and other socialists, marxest's want your and my earnings but don't mess with theirs and they have the means through legislation to keep it that way, by running ship shod over the constitution and all of us just staying mad and doing absolutley nothing about it.


    To answer the question? If you earn it legally through the free interprise system, then you decide what to do with it.
    Taxes (MAX 20%) for Roads, a standing well maintained military and that is it.
     
  5. MilCon

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    Lets look at this in a logical manner, If you are a Democrat- No/ yes
    If you are a Republican-Yes/no

    You asked two questions in the same sentence.

    Lets look at the last great redustribution of money in the 80's when we were dam near taxed to death by the democrats during Regans admin.

    The gov. taxed all luxury items and drove many companies out of business.
    The boat building industery in North Carolina is no longer , th small plane industery in Nebraska is no longer, how many other companies went out of business?

    If it were not for the wealthy and thier spending there would be a whole lot less jobs.

    Martin
     
  6. halfmile

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    They had that communist shit when the Pilgrims came over and it almost killed them because no one worked.

    Their survival came about when they made a rule " If you don't work, you don't eat".

    So much for income redistribution.

    HM
     
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    Ya made it , ya keep it. Bulge
     
  8. CalvinMD

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    I believe the only way to be fair is for us all to pay the exact same flat percentage rate of our annual income..nobody should be penalized for being wealthy , smart , successful or industrious...thats called a FAIR share and not a penny more
     
  9. grnberetcj

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    Calvin, et. al.,

    Another "Fair" tax policy would be to abolish the Income Tax Policy and go strictly with a Point of Sale tax. In this manner, you're taxed as you spend.

    Curt
     
  10. Dove Commander

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    Oh, I don't know...let me think about it....I worked my arse off for 35 years, took all the risk, put everything I had on the line when I started my company, dealt with changing economics, state and federal laws, and had to be a socialioligist, phycologist, and marriage counseler for my employees, who I never laid off in 20 years, missed most of my kids games and functions while they grew up, and had sleepless nights.......naw, I'd like to keep it.
     
  11. crusha

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    "The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States, and without regard to any census or enumeration."


    That's the 16th Amendment to the Constitution, folks.


    So before all you Flat Taxers start drinking the Kool-Aid, and talking about how that's how things should be...you better come up with a firm plan for Amending the Constitution.


    'Cause if you don't...you're gonna end up with a 20% Sales Tax, ON TOP OF the existing income tax. You wanna talk about a patchwork quilt of taxation - Europe is where we'll be.


    Sheeeet, we're sitting here talking about a "Fair / Flat Tax," when we can't even figure out how to win an election.


    Smoking weed, indeed.
     
  12. Savage99Stan

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    I had it explained to me that it now works something like this:
    The conservatives believe that you earn your money you should have total say in how it is spent.
    Liberals believe that they should decide how much of what you earn they'll let you keep. Looks like we'll get to keep less, now.
    A year ago I felt pretty well off. Now I don't. It weren't all W. It started back in the Clinton feel good years.
     
  13. Barry C. Roach

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    Not according to BO......and I quote, "Since when is greed part of Democracy?." We're going to get crushed.
     
  14. bigdogtx

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    Pelosi, evil witch of the west,,,,wants to get rid of the tax breaks Bush gave to everyone,,,,this includes small businesses as most file as a Sub S,,,,just got the numbers for job loss in December,,,,guess taxing the business owner will really help CREATE jobs,,,,God Save America!!!!!!!!!!!
     
  15. jcallan

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    JBrooks and with respect to representative Moron, er Moran.

    People do not form governments to steal their labors. Government is for providing for common goods. When people group together it is expedient and efficient to provide a central means of providing things that all people need but for which it would be inefficient and wasteful to have each person provide for themselves. We can each have our own septic systems and water treatment and waste dumps, but is this efficient? We could all teach our own children, but should we? Governments were formed for common good, but as they grow people forget what common good really means.

    The wealthy deserve the effort of their labor. Redistribution of wealth is not something that is made more expedient or efficient if forced. Charity is not charity when forced. When did anyone ever feel charitable after paying their taxes? No, definitely not. Democrats have stupified people into forgetting where we came from and why we have our Republic in the first bloody place.

    First, the country was formed by Deists, not all Christians. Christians are wonderful, but history is history. So, let's try to keep the facts straight. We wanted a more perfect union. We wanted people, independent and self-sufficient and proud people to come together and form a more perfect union to provide for those services (not goods) that it would be inefficient for us each to produce on our own (efficiencies in scale). We wanted reasonable rules to avoid problems in the pursuit if happiness. It is definitely unreasonable that if you get offended by something that I must alter my behavior. You have chosen to become offenses. You have given up your right to think and respond and react on your own and given it to me when your permit me to offend. Yes, the Democrats have us convinced that we are weak, dependent and victims. It is very sad.

    The wealthy should keep their wealth. It is the best thing for the poor to have examples that there are different ways of thinking, different ways of behaving and different ways of spending time and energy that produce better results. To eliminate such inspiration and mandate egalitarianism for us all is to limit us, our imagination and our prosperity as a nation and a people.

    The wealthy must keep their wealth.
     
  16. jcallan

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    So, the evil witch wants to take back a tax break. Ah, I love the irony on both sides of this.

    Tax is something that we provide in order to receive service. Government...our bloody government...has done a pretty poor job of watching out for my common good lately. How about yours? Call me crazy, but I want a bleeding refund. I certainly do not want to leave a tip.

    Remember that it is your money...it is all your money. There is no giving it back. It is our money supposedly intended for our good and spent in our best interests. By elections we provide proxies (supposedly responsible proxies) to look out and wisely spend our money on our common good.

    The evil witch wants a raise, eh? I think she and the rest of her monkeys need to melt.
     
  17. The Rock

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    Before any change (I am in favor of the Fair tax) the 16th amendment must be repealed.

    But why start being Fair now.

    Rock

    Jim
     
  18. jcallan

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    Barry: 'Not according to BO......and I quote, "Since when is greed part of Democracy?." We're going to get crushed.'

    Barry, Barry, Barry. (Can we call you Barry?)
    Democracies can neither be generous nor greedy. People can. People have a choice. Let's step back a minute. The dictionary defines a democracy as a state of society characterized by formal equality of rights and privileges. NOTE: That a democracy has by definition no desire for anything other than right and privilege. A democracy, as such, cannot desire wealth. A democracy can desire that people be granted the privilege to choose to pursue wealth or altruism. The freedom of the choice is the desire of democracy. The choice of freedom is the right of peoples in a democracy. Why choose slavery? (Is this all we know?) Do you choose to have the fruits of your labor owned by another? Is this the choice we as a people choose to make?

    The same dictionary defined greed as reprehensible acquisitiveness and an insatiable desire for wealth. We as a people are certainly the poster children of acquisitiveness. People like shiny new things. Humans are funny that way. It is this instinct to not be satisfied that drives us to innovate to create and to invent. Perhaps we should nip this instinct in the bud right here and now. It has gotten way out of line. These innovations that bring convenience to the world are really an evil thing and the Democrats, our bastians of morality, are here to save us all by choosing what we should aspire toward.

    You know. Call me crazy, but I believe that I can do the thinking all by myself thank you. I can make the choices, and I can in fact choose how to spend the fruits of my labor just fine without my elected government helping me out here. And, I am just white enough to believe that you can think on your own and decide for your self precisely how you can spend the fruits of your labors as well. I want for you the freedom to choose and I have no desire to take that from you. I would appreciate the very same courtesy if you please.
     
  19. jcallan

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    The Rock wants a fair tax. I want a means of distributing the burden of funding our common good that is equitable and efficient.

    If the fair tax does it then let's bring it on...I think that we invest in way too much complexity in our tax code as it is. Imagine the innovative industries that provide no other service than to minimize an individual or a company's burden to contributing to our common good. Our common good has ceased to be served when we have to cleverly obsfucate the manner by which we can afford our own common good. Think about it.
     
  20. jcallan

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    Hmmm. Socialists, eh. Well, Europe has been trying that a while now. It is not working so well. I cannot recall the last time I was in France when my trip was not affected by someone that was on strike.

    I even gave a bit of work to the French once...some web design work. Halfway through I stopped getting deliverables and contacted my peeps in France to inquire. "We are on a week strike. WHAT? Yep, the graphic designers guild is having a week stike and we are participating. But, I do not pay the guild. I pay you guys. What am I doing that warrants a strike? Oh, nothing. We are just supporting our fellow Frenchmen. So, how does this help my project? Do not sweat it. We will be back to work on Monday."

    Shall, I talk about Germany, Italy or did you have a favorite Socialist country that has figured out how to make it work? Perhaps we should not be so anxious to leap after those who have already jumped over the cliff until we see where they land.
     
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