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Are calcutta's considered illegal in your state?

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  1. scratcher

    scratcher TS Member

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    Are calcutta

    Wisconsin's state Atty. General has recently rendered an opinion that trapshooting related calcutta's or 'special events' are considered illegal because they are considered gambling. I am curious if other states (which?) has this same opinion. And, for what it's worth, how does a calcutta differ from purses, options, long runs, and particularly the Lewis class.

    Dick Gries
     
  2. missed some

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    In ks its illegal to have a football pool
     
  3. Ahab

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    Kalifinicate also says that Calcuttas are illegal.
     
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    We get by with "Special Event" Don't ask me what the difference is.

    Rick in MT
     
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    Yup....Alberta won't even allow football pools without a permit....but I imagine Calcutta's still happen...
     
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    9.46.0341 Golfing sweepstakes authorized. Washington State Law -

    The legislature hereby authorizes bona fide charitable or nonprofit organizations to conduct, without the necessity of obtaining a permit or license to do so from the commission, golfing sweepstakes permitting wagers of money, and the same shall not constitute such gambling or lottery as otherwise prohibited in this chapter, or be subject to civil or criminal penalties thereunder, but this only when the outcome of such golfing sweepstakes is dependent upon the score, or scores, or the playing ability, or abilities, of a golfing contest between individual players or teams of such players, conducted in the following manner:

    (1) Wagers are placed by buying tickets on any players in a golfing contest to "win," "place," or "show" and those holding tickets on the three winners may receive a payoff similar to the system of betting identified as parimutuel, such moneys placed as wagers to be used primarily as winners' proceeds, except moneys used to defray the expenses of such golfing sweepstakes or otherwise used to carry out the purposes of such organization; or

    (2) Participants in any golfing contest(s) pay a like sum of money into a common fund on the basis of attaining a stated number of points ascertainable from the score of such participants, and those participants attaining such stated number of points share equally in the moneys in the common fund, without any percentage of such moneys going to the sponsoring organization; or

    (3) An auction is held in which persons may bid on the players or teams of players in the golfing contest, and the person placing the highest bid on the player or team that wins the golfing contest receives the proceeds of the auction, except moneys used to defray the expenses of the golfing sweepstakes or otherwise used to carry out the purposes of the organizations; and

    (4) Participation is limited to members of the sponsoring organization and their bona fide guests.
     
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    They came down on clubs in Idaho years before I moved here but they just changed them to special events and nobody seems to bother them.
     
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    In Pennsylvania it would fall under games of chance which you would need a permit for. Just a few years ago someone passed away and left their house to a local hospital, the hospital sold raffle tickets on the house and shortly after received a $10,000 fine for not having gaming license. Everybody got there hands in the pot.
     
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    The reason a calcutta is different than other options is the fact that your not betting soley on yourself and that ability (unless everyone was guaranteed to bby themselves) but others than yourself (potential buyers) would be betting on your ability.
     
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    Yep. Think horse racing....
     
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    Pheasantmaster,

    So if you buy yourself in a Calcutta then it's legal?


    Eric
     
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    Why does the sellilng and buying of stocks and/or bonds, gov't. bonds, etc., receive a pass? Isn't that gambling?
     
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    But they get to collect taxes on that.
     
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    "Games of chance" as opposed to "Skill" is usually the definition of gambling in most states and federal jurisdictions. Whether or not anyone would enforce such activities, who knows for sure.
     
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    We used to have Calcutta's in Arizona, they been "Special Event's" now for a long time ... WPT ... (YAC) ...
     
  16. wolfram

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    Whaaaat? Gambling at a trap shoot? No way - well not that I can recall anyhow...

    There was this one special event that a certain cigar smoking Perazzi shooter won that somehow put a bunch of C notes in my pocket .....

    Deffinately a grey area even here in NV.
     
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    in Michigan it is a game of skill.
     
  18. BigM-Perazzi

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    3357, you sure about that!???


    750.301 Accepting money or valuable thing contingent on uncertain event.

    Any person or his or her agent or employee who, directly or indirectly, takes, receives, or accepts from any person any money or valuable thing with the agreement, understanding or allegation that any money or valuable thing will be paid or delivered to any person where the payment or delivery is alleged to be or will be contingent upon the result of any race, contest, or game or upon the happening of any event not known by the parties to be certain, is guilty of a misdemeanor punishable by imprisonment for not more than 1 year or a fine of not more than $1,000.00.
     
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    Big-M, my understanding is that they became games of skill when the state eased up on church bingo enforcement by requiring a test question be answered correctly after you "bingo", the money you win is for answering the question (thus requieing some level of "skill") not getting a "bingo". I think this goes back to the time native americans began opening casinos in Michigan.....politics as usual, trapshooting "special events" by thier nature are games of skill, but I believe you are obligated to report and pay taxes on any income. I have been out of law enforcement for 12 years but this is my recollection, and I could sure be wrong. Jess
     
  20. BigM-Perazzi

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    Well, I've been out for over 30, so my recollection is probably worse lol.

    I'd like to know for a fact. We could make Mason, Michigan rock again!!
     
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