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Are big added $$ good for trapshooting?

Discussion in 'Shooting Related Threads' started by mallard2, Feb 25, 2012.

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  1. mallard2

    mallard2 Active Member

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    Much has been discussed, around the Grand especially, about big added dollars.

    Now that the heat of the moment is passed, what has it done for the game?


    Looking at the payouts, most still goes to those we would expect to win (with exceptions, of course - the $100K winner for instance).

    But, at some shoots around the country, where big added money has appeared over the years, if it is skewed towards the top shooters local shooters tend to quit going to those shoots. Some shoots in Utah, California, and the mid-west come to mind.

    The old "Hundred Grand" in Las Vegas is a good example. It died a quiet death because the cars, guns, and money were won by top shooters mostly. Like in Utah and other places, the shoots got very expensive, and regular shooters quit making the trip.

    Don't know the outcomes of the current trend, but interested in your thoughts.
     
  2. Rich219

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    That is usually how things work in competition, the best win and everyone else loses.

    People cry if there is no money to be won, other people cry that there is money to win but it is won by the top shooters.
     
  3. mallard2

    mallard2 Active Member

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    Intelligent, Rich. Keen observation. Thank you.
     
  4. gun fitter

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    In sporting it seems that the shoots that give each class the same prizes are beter received than having a huge prize for Champion and Runner up.
     
  5. KaboK80

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    Eric, if you look at the Grand program you will see that there is added money for winners and placers in many of the events.
     
  6. SPACE GUN

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    The big dogs live for it, us wantabe's love donating to it/them!
     
  7. oleolliedawg

    oleolliedawg Banned User Banned

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    Nah, I'd rather shoot for flashlites and belt buckles. Who needs money anyway!!
     
  8. Big Heap

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    If the money went toward lower entry fees more shooters would be attracted and the the sport would prosper. Large donations have always been welcome but the donor should continue to decide where the money is applied, not the ATA or shoot management.
     
  9. dhip

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    Being realitively new,I just don't understand why with all the classes a---d,plus age classes,why not a progressive prize payout or reward.Say each class has a certain prize awarded then overall awarded,maybe it is done and I just haven't seen it.Take D class,,Winner,D class sub vet winner,D class vet winner,D class senior vet winner,etc. for each class.Then a seperate all winner .Maybe it's done that wy,I don't really know.Seems it all breaks down to overall winners get the prizes and everyone else is left out in the cold.Guess I better attend more shoots to see.

    Doug H.
     
  10. Ron Burdick

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    At the SC State Shoot this year, we are having a warm-up day on Wednesday. There will be $400.00 added money for the handicap event. This money will be divided into 4 yardage groups. Each group will divide $100.00.

    50/30/20 Ties divide.

    This is not a lot of money but I feel it is fair to all.

    Ron Burdick
     
  11. spitter

    spitter Well-Known Member TS Supporters

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    Get rid of the money.... period. Bring back competition for the sake of competition... gambling and amateur sport do not mix.

    Jay
     
  12. oleolliedawg

    oleolliedawg Banned User Banned

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    spitter, go shoot Skeet-it's flourishing! Plenty of ribbons and no money!!
     
  13. nomoloscofoso

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    What OLEODAWG said!
     
  14. dead on 4

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    If ATA fees were free, a whole buch of you would find something to bitch about, it's a fact, your cup is always half empty and your song is the same day after day.

    Anything I ever wanted bad enough in my life, I found a way to get it. Most times I had to defer gratification, you know, give up something in order to reach my goal. Many times I had to save up, you remember that don't, saving up for something you really wanted or wanted to do. Defering gratification and saving up may mean I don't get to go to a big shoot this or maybe next year, and will have to wait another year. But if I want it bad enough, I will attend that big shoot. In the meantime I'll manage my expenditure to make sure I meet my goal.

    I came to realize early in life, many people have more than me and many have less and it was up to me where I was going to be in the scale of things.

    So the message is, if you want something or want to do something bad enough earn it, but stop bitching. Count your blessings for where you live and what you have.

    And as far as the money in the ATA is concerned, it's always been about the money and should be available for those who are willing pay to play for it. And as always, the best competitors not necessarily the best shots will win as they should.

    If you talk like you can't win, then you're tinking you can't win and you won't and never will. If you want win, go to work, but don't blame your poor performance on someone who does and continues to do the work.

    Big Heap, are you saying if the ATA lowers participation fees by 10% entries will increase more than 20% which is the break even point for lowering the fees by ten percent? Are you willing to cover their losses if they don't surpass this increase???

    Surfer
     
  15. Big Heap

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    Surfer - If a DONOR adds money to a program and the money is used to lower the cost to the shooter it doesn't effect the income of either the ATA or the sponsoring club. It just lowers the cost of entry to the individual shooter which might attract those who don't want to pay the full boat entry.

    More shooters=more income for the tournament and, maybe, bigger pots for those who play the options.
     
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    Ummm....no one makes you play the options. Don't.
     
  17. dead on 4

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    Big Heap,
    I don't go a concert, play a round of golf, attended a sports event and negotiate the price of participation or addmission, just as I don't at a shooting event.

    If someone puts up a 100K for making a hole in one or throwing a ball through a hoop at halftime or running a hundred straight I count myself lucky if I have the will and concentration to make that shot or sink that ball or run a score. I expect no one to subsidize me in any way and you shouldn't either unless you're a socialist or you think you're special and everything should come your way because your alive.

    Didn't you read what I wrote above? You want, it earn it!!! Respect doesn't come from free rides.

    If an entrant won't pay the going price of entry fees, what makes you think they'll play the money, they'll probably want free shells and gas money.

    Surfer
     
  18. mallard2

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    Interesting comments. Note that Sporting Clays continues to grow, and it spreads the money through the field. Trap keeps getting smaller, and the money is at the top (see much hyped Grand Lewis purse for instance).

    Non registered shoots continue to grow, with money and prizes distributed through the field.

    Just some observations.
     
  19. dead on 4

    dead on 4 Well-Known Member

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    Mallard,
    What's interesting, in my area club shoots out draw ATA most months and actually cost more per 100 targets than going ATA rate. A major difference,
    shooters have choice between shooting 100 or 50 targets. It's a run what you brung guns, some high end some low, nobody cares. A portion higher fees are returned to the shooters in the form of very nice trophys. The most important, everyone has a great time.

    Trap shooting is not dead, its just slipping out from under the ATA umbrella, which from my point of view is not a good thing.


    Surfer
     
  20. poacherjoe

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    Spitter hit it on the money! If you don't like it don't play the options.Some people like to take a challege once in a while.If you shoot well you probably have a better chance to win than playing the lotto. PJ
     
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