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Anyone here shoot Cooper rifles?

Discussion in 'Uncategorized Threads' started by blooch, Oct 28, 2008.

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  1. blooch

    blooch Member

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    Then you might want to take a look at Mr. Cooper's politics. On a thread that was just removed over on Rimfirecentral, a copy of a USA Today article stated Mr. Cooper contributed $3300 to Obama's campaign. It was also quoted by one of the posters that Mr. Cooper , when aked about this by his customer posting there, did indeed make this contribution. Admin pulled the thread a few minutes ago. This was after it got 36 posts in about an hour. Several dealt with having talked directly to Mr. Cooper and confirming that he had done as reported and was no mistake.

    I would really like to undertand that train of thought. Gunmaker supporting an anti gun candidate?
     
  2. blooch

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    From campaignmoney.com




    Cooper, Dan
    STEVENSVILLE, MT 59870 Cooper Arms/President / CEO $200 OBAMA FOR AMERICA - DEMOCRAT P 04/15/2008
    Cooper, Dan
    STEVENSVILLE, MT 59870 Cooper Arms/President / CEO $-200 OBAMA FOR AMERICA - DEMOCRAT P 04/15/2008
    Cooper, Dan
    STEVENSVILLE, MT 59870 Cooper Arms/President / CEO $200 OBAMA FOR AMERICA - DEMOCRAT G 04/15/2008
    Cooper, Dan
    STEVENSVILLE, MT 59870 Cooper Arms/President / CEO $1,000 OBAMA FOR AMERICA - DEMOCRAT P 02/06/2008
    Cooper, Dan
    STEVENSVILLE, MT 59870 Cooper Arms/President / CEO $-900 OBAMA FOR AMERICA - DEMOCRAT P 02/06/2008
    Cooper, Dan
    STEVENSVILLE, MT 59870 Cooper Arms/President / CEO $900 OBAMA FOR AMERICA - DEMOCRAT G 02/06/2008
     
  3. blooch

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    More executives sold on Obama


    Yahoo! Buzz Digg Newsvine Reddit FacebookWhat's this?By Ken Dilanian, USA TODAY
    WASHINGTON — Dan Cooper, a proud member of the National Rifle Association, has backed Republicans for most of his life. He's the chief executive of Cooper Arms, a small Montana company that makes hunting rifles.
    Cooper said he voted for George W. Bush in 2000, having voted in past elections for every Republican presidential nominee back to Richard Nixon. In October 1992, he presented a specially made rifle to the first President. Bush during a Billings campaign event.

    This year, Cooper has given $3,300 to the campaign of Democrat Barack Obama. That's on top of the $1,000 check he wrote to Obama's U.S. Senate campaign in 2004, after he was dazzled by Obama's speech at that year's Democratic National Convention.


    TV ADS: Obama ads overwhelm TV presence of McCain

    Cooper is a player in one of the little-told dramas of the 2008 presidential campaign: how Obama has been able to out-raise Republican John McCain among swaths of the business community, outperforming previous Democratic presidential nominees in drawing business support.

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    Cooper changed sides, he said, "probably because of the war. And also because the Republican Party has moved so far right in recent years."

    He also likes Obama's message about "the retooling of America, which involves the building of middle-class jobs and helping American small business be competitive with those overseas."

    In 2000 and again in 2004, George W. Bush out-raised his Democratic rival among employees and executives of nearly every business sector, according to the non-partisan Center for Responsive Politics, which codes contributors by occupation.

    In this election, however, Obama has bested McCain among employees and executives in finance, insurance and real estate; health; communications; law; and "miscellaneous business," according to the center's tally of contributions through August.

    McCain has maintained the traditional Republican lead in transportation, construction, defense, energy and agribusiness.

    In the miscellaneous business sector — which includes retail, service industries and many small enterprises — Bush out-raised Democrat John Kerry, $20.6 million to $14.8 million in 2004. Obama has taken in $20.5 million from that sector to McCain's $13.4 million, records show. Those numbers don't include September and October, when Obama was raising tens of millions but McCain's campaign was not taking private donations. McCain accepted $84 million in public financing while Obama opted out of the federal system.

    Obama has taken in twice as much as McCain from employees of pharmaceutical and related companies, the center found. And Obama has raised $5.1 million from workers at computer and Internet companies, compared with McCain's $1.3 million.

    Among Obama's contributors, 5,845 list "CEO" or "chief executive" in their title, compared with 2,597 of McCain's donors, according to election records compiled by CQ MoneyLine. In the 2003-04 cycle, 3,567 of Bush's donors were listed that way, compared with 1,686 for Kerry.

    "I guess he can't accuse us of being the candidate of big business," McCain spokesman Brian Rogers said. He noted that some Democrats are raising money for McCain, and he criticized Obama for forgoing public financing.

    Obama spokesman Ben LaBolt noted that unlike Obama, McCain accepts money from federal lobbyists.

    "Our campaign has been funded by more than 3.1 million Americans who gave an average of $86," he said.

    Mary Kay Cashman runs a Caterpillar franchise in Nevada. She has given $68,600 to Republican candidates over the years, including $2,000 to Bush in 2003. This year, she changed her registration to Democrat to caucus for Obama in the Nevada primary.

    "There's an abundant amount of evidence that the status quo isn't working and the direction needs to be changed," she said. Asked why she didn't support Democrat Al Gore in 2000 or Kerry in 2004, she said, "There are personality traits that are required in a leader, and neither Gore nor Kerry had those."

    Bill Struve runs a small business in Wilmington, N.C., that develops metal clay, which is used in making jewelry. He said the only time he hasn't backed a Republican for president is when he cast a vote for independent Ross Perot in 1992. He has given Obama $2,300 this year. "The Republicans have … lost their footing on economics," he said.

    Bob Clark of Missouri and Victor Hammel of Pennsylvania are CEOs of large businesses who tend to back Democrats but also donate to Republicans. Clark runs Clayco, a St. Louis real estate development firm. Hammel leads J.C. Ehrlich, a pest-control company based in Reading, Pa..

    They are the types McCain had hoped to attract. Instead, Clark, who raised thousands for Bush in 2000, has raised more than $500,000 for Obama. And Hammel, who regularly gives money to Republican Sen. Arlen Specter, has donated $2,300 to Obama.

    "Barack is definitely more liberal than I am," Clark said. "But I'm willing to compromise on some of those issues for what I think is the greater good."

    Hammel said, "I would rather pay a little higher tax on a higher profit than a lower tax rate on lower profits
     
  4. superxjeff

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    Won't it be funny when Obama put's Cooper out of business! Cooper has poor customer service so this is just another reason not to buy a cooper.Jeff
     
  5. shooterIII

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    Regarding the USA Today Article. Cooper Firearms of Montana, Inc. did not contribute and does not support in any fashion the campaign of Senator Obama.

    Nine months ago Dan Cooper (personally) made an online donation to the campaign in an effort to help defeat Hillary Clinton and in protest of American plant closures and the shipping of jobs overseas. Three months ago he made yet another donation to the McCain campaign and the RNC totaling over twice that given to Obama campaign.

    There is no doubt that the article in USA Today has caused a considerable response. To this end we are encouraged and stand with our fellow NRA members and supporters of the Second Amendment and against those who oppose it.
     
  6. blooch

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    Go out and check the campaign donations trackers......Cooper is NOT listed as having donated to the RNC, only the Democrats, and then only Obama. I did not leave any of the donations listed in his name off, maybe they did, but is odd that there are very recent donations listed there to both parties.
     
  7. Brian in Oregon

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    Coopers story ain't adding up. Did he pull a Zumbo?
     
  8. ricks1

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    well I guess he wont sell many now. He has pulled his web site. Someone said the phone dont work either rick
     
  9. stokinpls

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    I could find only 2 dealers of his crap. Anybody know of any others, post them here.
     
  10. superxjeff

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    Lou, Little gambler of these threads and an oregon shooter has owned twp of them that he couldn't get the bolts to stay in. He has quite a story of their cutomer service. I wouldn't buy one for this reason alone but if it is true that this whole thing is a hoax it is pretty sad as it will hurt Coopers business. Jeff
     
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    So we should go on a witch hunt for Dan Cooper and do our best to destroy his buisiness because he might have different political views than we do? Yea let's pull a Zumbo on him. Our version of freedom?

    You know if there were any fence sitters this closed minded mentality would push them would push them to the left side.
     
  12. TOOLMAKER 251

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    Wolfram, You are right. We should all be doing business with the gun companies that support Osama. Maybe Cooper thinks Osama will spare his business and only go after the black rifle companies.
     
  13. white rattler

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    I bought a new 3/4 ton 4x4 in 1978 and it had Cooper tires on it. Trevor Dawe.
     
  14. FN in MT

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    OMG!! The Press making a mistake?? A mistake that helps their left sided agenda?? Amazing!!
     
  15. blooch

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    Amazing that anyone thinks this is a hoax. Cooper has admitted that he did indeed contribute to the OBAMA campaign to the tune of about $3400 and the doantion is verifiable on the Federal Election Commission website. It is also verifiable tha he did NOT contribute a dime to the Republican party or McCain's campaign as he claimed in his reponse to the article on his website, which he has since pulled. He's entitled to support whomever he wishes, and the public that deal with the type guns he produces is entitled to know where he stands.
     
  16. superxjeff

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    Hype or not custom bolt action rifles that the bolts won't stay in are not on my list regardless of who he supports. P.S I also sent him am e-mail to which i rcd no response. I have to believe it's true if they won't even respond to e-mails about the issue. Jeff
     
  17. blooch

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    From Cooper firearms, an email to me this afternoon:


    In response to the recent article highlighting Dan Cooper’s personal political donations, the board of directors, shareholders and employees of Cooper Firearms of Montana, Inc would like to issue the following statement.



    The employees, shareholders and board of directors of Cooper Firearms of Montana do not share the personal political views of Dan Cooper.



    Although we all believe everyone has a right to vote and donate as they see fit, it has become apparent that the fallout may affect more than just Mr. Cooper. It may also affect the employees and the shareholders of Cooper Firearms.



    The board of directors has asked Mr. Cooper to resign as President of Cooper Firearms of Montana, Inc.



    Daily operations will continue with the competent staff currently in place in Stevensville, MT producing the finest, most accurate rifles money can buy.



    Dan Cooper has spent all of his working life producing the highest quality rifles built here in the USA. He started with nothing but the American Dream and built that into firearms company anyone would be proud of. We firmly believe Dan stands by the 2nd amendment.

    We wish him all of the best in his future pursuits.
     
  18. BIGDON

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    Yep, ruin a company because of one man's opinions which is different then yours. Some you aren't any different than ACORN protesting in front of banks.

    Blooch you should get the "Perry Mason" award. Compare it to the ATA membership and maybe you can find more. Compare it to the NRA members and maybe you can find some. How much money has Cooper given the NRA?? You don't know but you will convict and condemn over one point of info.

    Don
     
  19. jimx200

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    Blooch, thanks for the post. Don, seems that Cooper made his own mess....he chose to side and (support with some pretty substantial dollars) the biggest socialist, anti-gun, 2nd Amendment hating, probably future President this country has ever seen. In my book, the guy crossed way over the line, especially in light of the overwhelming majority of the company's customers being supporters and believers in the Constitution. Seems that the Cooper Board agrees.
     
  20. Brian in Oregon

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    BIGDON, quote: "Yep, ruin a company because of one man's opinions which is different then yours. Some you aren't any different than ACORN protesting in front of banks."<br>
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    So what you're saying is that Cooper, because he's a businessman, can exercise his free will, freedom of choice, and spend his money however he sees fit.<br>
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    But we ordinary people are not supposed to have free will, free choice, and cannot spend our money as we see fit.<br>
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    Interesting concept, Don.
     
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