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Any Surveyors out there?

Discussion in 'Off Topic Threads' started by kgun_shooter, Jul 17, 2012.

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  1. kgun_shooter

    kgun_shooter Member

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    I had a couple of questions for all you surveyors out there. I've noticed a lot of activity near my property and a lot of survey flags and markers have popped up. Can anyone tell me what the different color flags mean, I've seen orange, pink, blue, yellow and black striped, white and orange striped. Plus there are stakes that have markings on them like "Proposed CL MK EAS3" and "Proposed P.I. MK EAS3". They put a stake with a blue flag on my property with a couple more blue flags. If anyone can answer these questions that would be appreciated.
     
  2. det131

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    Sounds like a pipeline project in your future. Are you in the marcellus shale area or possibly somewhere on the route of the Keystone Pipeline (Midwest Canada to Texas?)
     
  3. kgun_shooter

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    det131,

    Your right, they are wanting to put in a pipeline but I told them I wasn't interested. They were just suppose to survey the property lines, which I think they did, and the Proposed is where they want to put it but I'm not going to let them. I've never seen so many different color ribbons. I followed the property line, where it should be, and they had orange ribbons tied about every 50 yards or so, depending on there line of sight, there were also wooden stakes with orange ribbons tied to them. But they also had trees with yellow and black striped ribbons tied around them. One of the corners, which is an oak tree that has old fence line in it had a one of the striped ribbons and also an orange ribbon. Just from me thinking, they tied the yellow and black striped ribbons around any trees with fence in it, but it wasn't necessarily the property line. What really confuses me are the pink ribbons tied to stakes and the stakes with the markings on them. After laying it what they have it doesn't make sense that the centerline is where they posted it to be.
     
  4. HSLDS

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    I suggest you look at the Kelo decision by the SCOTUS.

    Essentially they will use eminent domain to take private land for ANY public good (used to be for public projects only, now includes private enterprises that add to the tax base).

    You need to be in touch with your Congressman and Senators. Verify that your state has instituted private property laws in the wake of Kelo (many states have done so to protect from private enterprise going after private property).

    If you are not careful they will build the pipeline whether you like it or not...

    Good luck.
     
  5. det131

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    You will be better off negotiating with them now then letting them condem that portion of your property under eminent domain.

    Things you can get are agreements on gating the boundries, you will essentially have a highway across your property for atv's and snowmobile'rs. Control over the type of ground cover they reseed with. Ability to remove timber prior to construction activites, chipping of brush and timber piles, etc. Compensation for crops planted then disturbed by construction or not planted due to construction. Regrading to prior grades. Dust control and cleaning of homes and outbuildings. You can even negotiate a higer compensation than they will offer under eminent domain. Once they get to eminent domain they make all the rules and will give you a check based on their calculations everything else will be TS (that's not Trapshooter's either)

    We are going through this now. Proposed route, multiple surveys (wetlands, archeological, access routes, etc.) Everything stayed that way until they actually got ready to start construction and the majority of the route changed. We are in a mountainous area, instead of coming up along the ridge line as initially laid out they went around and cut level areas out of the slopes. Now have cliffs in excess of 20' high on either edge of the right of way. Be interesting to see how they will be able to regrade that. Although the agreements say they have to do that I can forsee them stating we have to maintain access to all sections of the pipeline and more TS. It effectively cuts off access to one portion of the farm and we will have a grass superhighway sixty to twohundred feet wide through the farm. Will make for some longrange shooting opportunities though.
     
  6. John Galt

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    Instead of speculating, why not go to the pipeline company or the surveyor who did the survey to find out what's going on. Emminent domain conmdennation that some speculate doesn't happen overnight. It takes awhile and you will know all about it and have a chance to fight it.

    Get the facts and leave the speculating to the armchair experts.

    P.S. The colors of the flagging might not mean anything to anybody but whoever did the surveying. Again, go to the source if you want the answer to this question. You won't find the answer here.
     
  7. HSLDS

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    if they are out surveying, the pipeline is a 'done deal.' All the planning was done with satellite imagery, etc.

    det131 gives great advice - what do you think your chances of stopping a pipeline of hundreds of miles (?) to protect your piece of ground?

    If you won't deal with them, and can't get your local government officials to side with you they will use eminent domain to get what they want...

    You can fight them, or get them to work with you to your best advantage. Might be worth talking to a real estate lawyer...
     
  8. grntitan

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    We had a somewhat similar thing happen with us on a 40 acre plot we owned. It was a road relocation deal. We worked with them and actually came out ahead in the game. The State swapped us some ground and money. We ended up with 60 acres and money to boot. I'm not saying this will happen with every circumstance but you will not be out anything to at least hear the company out. We retained an attorney only to see that everything was done properly and they even paid our attorney fees when it was all said and done.

    The road was gonna go there regardless of what we wanted so we thought it best to work with them rather than against them. They were more than happy to pay extra and swap land as opposed to battling it out in court. The lawyers fees and court costs would have been high and long lasting.
     
  9. Setterman

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    Are these flags up by the road? Like maybe between the road and your house?

    There may be a "right of way" along your road or even through your property which any utility can use and you can't stop them.

    They also may have called for existing utility flagging too. In Ohio, before you dig you are required to call OUPS (Ohio Utility Protection system) or you will get invoiced for anything you cut off while digging.

    Proposed CL MK EAS3 I think means "Proposed Centerline Mark East Section 3". Different surveyors use a wide range of abbreviations.

    Always better to call and start discussions before you get in a piss'n match.
     
  10. Johnny

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    Some of the colored flags mark utilities. I think blue is for water lines. Elec is red or orange.
     
  11. Bvr Tail

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    I know in my area, when having utilities located, different underground utilities are marked with different colors of paint, or ribbons.

    Blue = Water, Yellow = Gas, oil, or steam, Red = Electric, White = Proposed Construction, Storm Sewers or identifying numbers, Green = Sanitary Sewers, Orange = telephone or cable, Purple = Re-claimed water, Pink = Temporary survey markings.

    Your "CL" is probably Center Line, and "EAS" may be Easement.

    Any Help?

    Danny
     
  12. Setterman

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    P.I.MK EAS3 could mean "Point of Intersection Mark Easement". It's a guess. Call them.
     
  13. kgun_shooter

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    I think your right on the abbreviation but what is the number 3 for? The thing is that if that is the center line for the pipeline then they are coming onto my property. If it's a 75 ft right of way then it would be 36.5 feet from the stake which would put it over the line.
     
  14. Bvr Tail

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    Are you sure it is P I, and not P L?

    P L could mean Property Line, but around here, it is marked as a combination of P and L, meaning the vertical line on the P is a bit longer, and has a horizontal line at the bottom making it form a "L"

    Sometimes numbers on a stake designate an "offset" of so many feet to the point of survey

    For example, a stake could be marked "C/L OS 15ft", which means the stake is offset from the center line by 15ft.

    The surveyor's field book is the only place you will find all the right answers, or later on the prints.

    Best of luck
     
  15. Auctioneer

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    My family has had to deal with such things. Pipe line and a reservoir. Both were public domain. If they want to come through they will. The best thing you can do is get a lawyer and get as much out of them as you can. Its coming through if you like it or not. GET A LAWYER or find others who have pooled together and join them.
     
  16. cubancigar2000

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    Danny got it right
     
  17. bkt514

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    Different Surveyors use different flagging. You will also find that soil/plant/wetland specialist use flagging to mark soil type....plant species....or wetland boundaries. Call the firm who did the work, and meet them onsite. It is your land, but they probably have the right to survey? Not sure.
     
  18. gdbabin

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    Evidently not......




    Guy B.
     
  19. Mapper

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    Just before I retired, the State of Michigan designated different colored flagging(tape) for different organizations. The surveyors got pink. The little metal flags designate utilities. Stuff wrapped on stakes, survey marks. It is hard to tell what is going on, but something is. Better check it out. CL(with one stem) is centerline. Right of way is usually R/W. Property corners may be what the surveyor prefers. PI is point of intersection, which may or may not be the route taken, if it curves.
     
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