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Another Reason to NOT Support the "Stimulus" Plan

Discussion in 'Politics, Elections & Legislation' started by bigdogtx, Feb 10, 2009.

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  1. bigdogtx

    bigdogtx Well-Known Member

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    Maybe this is one of their ideas to help social security....

    Ruin Your Health With the Obama Stimulus Plan: Betsy McCaughey


    Commentary by Betsy McCaughey



    Feb. 9 (Bloomberg) -- Republican Senators are questioning whether President Barack Obama’s stimulus bill contains the right mix of tax breaks and cash infusions to jump-start the economy.

    Tragically, no one from either party is objecting to the health provisions slipped in without discussion. These provisions reflect the handiwork of Tom Daschle, until recently the nominee to head the Health and Human Services Department.

    Senators should read these provisions and vote against them because they are dangerous to your health. (Page numbers refer to H.R. 1 EH, pdf version).

    The bill’s health rules will affect “every individual in the United States” (445, 454, 479). Your medical treatments will be tracked electronically by a federal system. Having electronic medical records at your fingertips, easily transferred to a hospital, is beneficial. It will help avoid duplicate tests and errors.

    But the bill goes further. One new bureaucracy, the National Coordinator of Health Information Technology, will monitor treatments to make sure your doctor is doing what the federal government deems appropriate and cost effective. The goal is to reduce costs and “guide” your doctor’s decisions (442, 446). These provisions in the stimulus bill are virtually identical to what Daschle prescribed in his 2008 book, “Critical: What We Can Do About the Health-Care Crisis.” According to Daschle, doctors have to give up autonomy and “learn to operate less like solo practitioners.”

    Keeping doctors informed of the newest medical findings is important, but enforcing uniformity goes too far.

    New Penalties

    Hospitals and doctors that are not “meaningful users” of the new system will face penalties. “Meaningful user” isn’t defined in the bill. That will be left to the HHS secretary, who will be empowered to impose “more stringent measures of meaningful use over time” (511, 518, 540-541)

    What penalties will deter your doctor from going beyond the electronically delivered protocols when your condition is atypical or you need an experimental treatment? The vagueness is intentional. In his book, Daschle proposed an appointed body with vast powers to make the “tough” decisions elected politicians won’t make.

    The stimulus bill does that, and calls it the Federal Coordinating Council for Comparative Effectiveness Research (190-192). The goal, Daschle’s book explained, is to slow the development and use of new medications and technologies because they are driving up costs. He praises Europeans for being more willing to accept “hopeless diagnoses” and “forgo experimental treatments,” and he chastises Americans for expecting too much from the health-care system.

    Elderly Hardest Hit

    Daschle says health-care reform “will not be pain free.” Seniors should be more accepting of the conditions that come with age instead of treating them. That means the elderly will bear the brunt.

    Medicare now pays for treatments deemed safe and effective. The stimulus bill would change that and apply a cost- effectiveness standard set by the Federal Council (464).

    The Federal Council is modeled after a U.K. board discussed in Daschle’s book. This board approves or rejects treatments using a formula that divides the cost of the treatment by the number of years the patient is likely to benefit. Treatments for younger patients are more often approved than treatments for diseases that affect the elderly, such as osteoporosis.

    In 2006, a U.K. health board decreed that elderly patients with macular degeneration had to wait until they went blind in one eye before they could get a costly new drug to save the other eye. It took almost three years of public protests before the board reversed its decision.

    Hidden Provisions

    If the Obama administration’s economic stimulus bill passes the Senate in its current form, seniors in the U.S. will face similar rationing. Defenders of the system say that individuals benefit in younger years and sacrifice later.

    The stimulus bill will affect every part of health care, from medical and nursing education, to how patients are treated and how much hospitals get paid. The bill allocates more funding for this bureaucracy than for the Army, Navy, Marines, and Air Force combined (90-92, 174-177, 181).

    Hiding health legislation in a stimulus bill is intentional. Daschle supported the Clinton administration’s health-care overhaul in 1994, and attributed its failure to debate and delay. A year ago, Daschle wrote that the next president should act quickly before critics mount an opposition. “If that means attaching a health-care plan to the federal budget, so be it,” he said. “The issue is too important to be stalled by Senate protocol.”

    More Scrutiny Needed

    On Friday, President Obama called it “inexcusable and irresponsible” for senators to delay passing the stimulus bill. In truth, this bill needs more scrutiny.

    The health-care industry is the largest employer in the U.S. It produces almost 17 percent of the nation’s gross domestic product. Yet the bill treats health care the way European governments do: as a cost problem instead of a growth industry. Imagine limiting growth and innovation in the electronics or auto industry during this downturn. This stimulus is dangerous to your health and the economy.

    (Betsy McCaughey is former lieutenant governor of New York and is an adjunct senior fellow at the Hudson Institute. The opinions expressed are her own.)
     
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    That's encouraging for those babyboomers who will be eligible for Medicare starting in January, 2011. We will then be thinking that 2008-2009 were the best of times. Did anyone hear that $4,000,000,000.00 left in this crap referred to as a "Stimulus Bill" will end up in ACORN's hands? That's really reflecting the will of the people. Darrell
     
  3. highflyer

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    The ignorance displayed by liberal Democrats is amazing. They really think, in all their stupidity, that they are going to get the same quality health care provided by their private health insurance from the government. Only then it will be "free". It is so hard to live in a world with idiots running the show. They are going to have to ration health care. No other choice. And all you libs that were in favor of deciding who lives and dies on one end (abortion) are now going to see it on the other end (old age). Only difference, now you are going to be the recipient.
     
  4. truthseeker

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    This is NO suprise to me.

    I knew if Obama was the POTUS then these socialist programs would come out sooner or later.

    It is just sad that the 52% of Americans that voted for him, fell hook line and sinker in love with him instead of seeing him for the smarmy slick talking car salesman that he really is!
     
  5. pyrdek

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    Just tried calling "my" (ONLY in the sense that he is from Pennsylvania, unfortunately!) Senator Specter at both the Washington Office and regional office. It seems that they are not answering calls very well IF AT ALL! in Washington. Twenty or twenty-five attempts all simply go "Busy".

    Tried calling the regional office. It was pretty evident that they did not have a clue what was in the bill. They first said they read it, I then asked how many pages it contained. OVER 600! I was told and they "read" it all. When I pushed the question a bit, the staffer answering the phone finally admitted that they didn't have the bill there and "the staff in Washington read it." I then asked about the specific issues involving health care and she had absolutly no idea what I was talking about.

    I then asked her to patch me into the Washington office with a call forward. She would not do that either.

    I finally left with the comment that I hope when his brain tumor returns he is the first one to "enjoy" the benefits that this health rationing (elimination) for seniors gives us. I was told that they don't get involved UNTIL there is a issue affecting an individual. Gee, I guess that means that I will have to come back to haunt his offices after I am "affected" by his vote on this bill.

    This guy is an embarrassment to the entire human race. He, personally, is an outstanding reason for euthanasia. To bad they didn't apply it when he had his high cost treatments for brain cancer. It looks like they didn't get all of on the cancer and what remained ate up what little was left of his brain!
     
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    The bill’s health rules will affect “every individual in the United States” (445, 454, 479). Your medical treatments will be tracked electronically by a federal system. Having electronic medical records at your fingertips, easily transferred to a hospital, is beneficial. It will help avoid duplicate tests and errors.


    My wife is an RN in the ER. She likes this part of the bill, only. Because we live in an area of recreation, those that show up most times, do not have any medical records with them. Many are elderly, and do not know what meds they take or how much. They just pop the pills their doctors prescribe.

    Every night the ER gets in cancer, bi-polar, high blood pressure, and by-pass patients, not knowing what medications they are already on. They must make attempts to contact their doctors or other hospitals to get this information, and this takes hours.

    She tells these people all of the time, it their responsiblility to carry this info. Go to your doctor and get a card descriping all of your meds and their doses, and keep it on your person, at all times.
     
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  8. bigdogtx

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    61-36 WAS THE SCORE WHEN AMERICA GOT SCREWED!!!!!!!!!!!

    THANK YOU, SPECTOR, SNOW AND COLLINS,,,,PA and ME respectiveley, states not for them!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
     
  9. FN in MT

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    BigDog......It was SPECTOR not Schumer.
     
  10. highflyer

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    It was 3 traitor Republicans (RINO's) that sided with the Democrats. Two women and one senile old man. Democrats like Schumer did what they are supposed to do. They love new trillion dollar government spending plans on pork. Pork gives Democrats power. Pork buys votes.
     
  11. bigdogtx

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    Thanks FN,,,,I have updated,,,,they seem alike,,:D ;)
     
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