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Ammunition Accountablility Legislation

Discussion in 'Shooting Related Threads' started by Rich's Mom, Jan 21, 2009.

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  1. Rich's Mom

    Rich's Mom TS Member

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    If these pass in these states, look for it in YOUR state next! They will have circumvented the Constitution of this country....

    Ammunition?Accountability Legislation

    Remember how Obama said that he wasn't going to take your guns? Well, it seems that his allies in the anti-gun world have no problem with taking your ammo!

    The bill that is being pushed in 18 states (including Illinois and Indiana) requires all ammunition to be encoded by the manufacture a data base of all ammunition sales. So they will know how much you buy and what calibers.

    Nobody can sell any ammunition after?June 30, 2009?unless the ammunition is coded..?

    Any privately held uncoded ammunition must be destroyed by?July 1, 2011. (Including hand loaded ammo.) They will also charge a .05 cent tax on every round so every box of ammo you buy will go up at least $2.50 or more!?

    If they can deprive you of ammo they do not need to take your gun!

    This legislation is currently pending in 18 states: Alabama, Arizona, California,?Connecticut,?Hawaii, Illinois, Indiana, Kentucky, Maryland, Mississippi, Missouri,?New Jersey, New York, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, South Carolina,?Tennessee, and Washington.

    Send to your friends in these states AND fight to dissolve this BILL!!

    To find more about the anti-gun group that is sponsoring this legislation and the specific legislation for each state, go to:
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    http://ammunitionaccountability.org/Legislation.htm
     
  2. ajc

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    This appears to be a hoax-at least in California. I followed the link contained in the email, and it led to a website called the "Ammunition Accountability Act". That website listed the alleged California Senate Bill. (SB997) I downloaded, and read, the entire 17 pages of legalese. NO WHERE in that bill is any reference of ammunition or ammunition identification, any additional tax, or a "destroy by" date. In fact, SB997 has nothing to do with any clauses mentioned in the email.

    So I did additional research. I found a "progressive" website (I interpret that to mean left-wing) that had a germane citation, which follows:

    "California Senate Bill 997: SB997 has no Info on it, and died in committee (in 2008). SB1471 passed and is now known as the "Crime Gun Identification Act of 2007." It was authored by Assemblymember Mike Feuer (D-Los Angeles) and was signed by Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger. The bill is in regard to handguns and microstamping, not ammunition. It also has no wording in it that would indicate that citizens would need to turn in their guns. It could also be rendered moot depending on the technology. It is not a part of the AAA agenda."

    There are no other pending bills that mention ammunition identification in CA.

    So I then read SB1471, which passed in to Law in October of 2007. This bill is the one that requires microstamping on the cartridge when fired, effective Jan 2010. The text of SB1471 follows below.

    This hoax could very well be a ploy by the anti's knowing that the pro gun group would likely get incensed, and cause a big stink...only to be shown later to be "calling wolf" and in fact, wrong.



    BILL NUMBER: AB 1471 CHAPTERED
    BILL TEXT

    CHAPTER 572
    FILED WITH SECRETARY OF STATE OCTOBER 13, 2007
    APPROVED BY GOVERNOR OCTOBER 13, 2007
    PASSED THE SENATE SEPTEMBER 6, 2007
    PASSED THE ASSEMBLY SEPTEMBER 10, 2007
    AMENDED IN SENATE JULY 11, 2007
    AMENDED IN SENATE JULY 5, 2007
    AMENDED IN ASSEMBLY APRIL 10, 2007

    INTRODUCED BY Assembly Member Feuer
    (Principal coauthor: Assembly Member DeSaulnier)
    (Coauthors: Senators Cedillo, Perata, Romero, and Scott)

    FEBRUARY 23, 2007

    An act to amend Section 12126 of the Penal Code, relating to
    firearms.



    LEGISLATIVE COUNSEL'S DIGEST


    AB 1471, Feuer. Firearms: microstamping.
    Existing law defines unsafe handguns as failing to pass certain
    tests, or lacking certain features, as specified.
    This bill, the Crime Gun Identification Act of 2007, would,
    commencing January 1, 2010, expand the definition of "unsafe handgun"
    to include semiautomatic pistols that are not designed and equipped
    with a microscopic array of characters that identify the make, model,
    and serial number of the pistol, etched in 2 or more places on the
    interior surface or internal working parts of the pistol, and that
    are transferred by imprinting on each cartridge case when the firearm
    is fired. Those provisions would be subject to specified
    certification procedures by the Department of Justice regarding the
    use of that technology.
    By expanding the definition of "unsafe handgun," the manufacture,
    sale, and other specified transfer of which is a crime, this bill
    would expand the scope of an existing crime, and thereby impose a
    state-mandated local program.
    The California Constitution requires the state to reimburse local
    agencies and school districts for certain costs mandated by the
    state. Statutory provisions establish procedures for making that
    reimbursement.
    This bill would provide that no reimbursement is required by this
    act for a specified reason.


    THE PEOPLE OF THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA DO ENACT AS FOLLOWS:

    SECTION 1. This act shall be known, and may be cited as, the Crime
    Gun Identification Act of 2007.
    SEC. 2. Section 12126 of the Penal Code is amended to read:
    12126. As used in this chapter, "unsafe handgun" means any
    pistol, revolver, or other firearm capable of being concealed upon
    the person, as defined in subdivision (a) of Section 12001, for which
    any of the following is true:
    (a) For a revolver:
    (1) It does not have a safety device that, either automatically in
    the case of a double-action firing mechanism, or by manual operation
    in the case of a single-action firing mechanism, causes the hammer
    to retract to a point where the firing pin does not rest upon the
    primer of the cartridge.
    (2) It does not meet the firing requirement for handguns pursuant
    to Section 12127.
    (3) It does not meet the drop safety requirement for handguns
    pursuant to Section 12128.
    (b) For a pistol:
    (1) It does not have a positive manually operated safety device,
    as determined by standards relating to imported guns promulgated by
    the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms.
    (2) It does not meet the firing requirement for handguns pursuant
    to Section 12127.
    (3) It does not meet the drop safety requirement for handguns
    pursuant to Section 12128.
    (4) Commencing January 1, 2006, for a center fire semiautomatic
    pistol that is not already listed on the roster pursuant to Section
    12131, it does not have either a chamber load indicator, or a
    magazine disconnect mechanism.
    (5) Commencing January 1, 2007, for all center fire semiautomatic
    pistols that are not already listed on the roster pursuant to Section
    12131, it does not have both a chamber load indicator and if it has
    a detachable magazine, a magazine disconnect mechanism.
    (6) Commencing January 1, 2006, for all rimfire semiautomatic
    pistols that are not already listed on the roster pursuant to Section
    12131, it does not have a magazine disconnect mechanism, if it has a
    detachable magazine.
    (7) Commencing January 1, 2010, for all semiautomatic pistols that
    are not already listed on the roster pursuant to Section 12131, it
    is not designed and equipped with a microscopic array of characters
    that identify the make, model, and serial number of the pistol,
    etched or otherwise imprinted in two or more places on the interior
    surface or internal working parts of the pistol, and that are
    transferred by imprinting on each cartridge case when the firearm is
    fired, provided that the Department of Justice certifies that the
    technology used to create the imprint is available to more than one
    manufacturer unencumbered by any patent restrictions. The Attorney
    General may also approve a method of equal or greater reliability and
    effectiveness in identifying the specific serial number of a firearm
    from spent cartridge casings discharged by that firearm than that
    which is set forth in this paragraph, to be thereafter required as
    otherwise set forth by this paragraph where the Attorney General
    certifies that this new method is also unencumbered by any patent
    restrictions. Approval by the Attorney General shall include notice
    of that fact via regulations adopted by the Attorney General for
    purposes of implementing that method for purposes of this paragraph.
    The microscopic array of characters required by this section shall
    not be considered the name of the maker, model, manufacturer's
    number, or other mark of identification, including any distinguishing
    number or mark assigned by the Department of Justice, within the
    meaning of Sections 12090 and 12094.
    (c) As used in this section, a "chamber load indicator" means a
    device that plainly indicates that a cartridge is in the firing
    chamber. A device satisfies this definition if it is readily visible,
    has incorporated or adjacent explanatory text or graphics, or both,
    and is designed and intended to indicate to a reasonably foreseeable
    adult user of the pistol, without requiring the user to refer to a
    user's manual or any other resource other than the pistol itself,
    whether a cartridge is in the firing chamber.
    (d) As used in this section, a "magazine disconnect mechanism"
    means a mechanism that prevents a semiautomatic pistol that has a
    detachable magazine from operating to strike the primer of ammunition
    in the firing chamber when a detachable magazine is not inserted in
    the semiautomatic pistol.
    (e) As used in this section, a "semiautomatic pistol" means a
    pistol, as defined in subdivision (a) of Section 12001, the operating
    mode of which uses the energy of the explosive in a fixed cartridge
    to extract a fired cartridge and chamber a fresh cartridge with each
    single pull of the trigger.
    SEC. 3. No reimbursement is required by this act pursuant to
    Section 6 of Article XIII B of the California Constitution because
    the only costs that may be incurred by a local agency or school
    district will be incurred because this act creates a new crime or
    infraction, eliminates a crime or infraction, or changes the penalty
    for a crime or infraction, within the meaning of Section 17556 of the
    Government Code, or changes the definition of a crime within the
    meaning of Section 6 of Article XIII B of the California
    Constitution.
     
  3. TALLEND

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    AJC,--Go back to the webpage look up Indiana HB 1260----------maybe slight variations in each state,BUT THE INTENT IS THE SAME--------disarm the public---without ammo,your AR-15 is a dam funny looking club...

    Tom
     
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