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Alliant - Clay Dot Claim

Discussion in 'Shooting Related Threads' started by lboh, Apr 26, 2013.

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  1. lboh

    lboh Member

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    From the Alliant Website they make the following statement:

    "Designed to duplicate the performance of Hodgdon® Clays™ at an economical price."

    With a statement like that, wouldn't it stand to reason it would "duplicate" clays? So why, won't they provide a recipe for a 1200fps load like Hodgdon Clays provides? I asked them this directly as well.

    I bought it as an add on to a primer order as clays wasn't available. I should have checked more closely, but relied on their "duplicate the performance" language plastered all over the product.

    "Duplicate" is a no in my opinion. Do your own due diligence on this product.
     
  2. shot410ga

    shot410ga Well-Known Member

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    I started using Clay Dot after I couldn't get any clays. What I found out was that I could use a little less powder to get the same results, it's just as clean burning, and it's cheaper. I couldn't tell any difference in recoil. I probably would not haved changed except for the lack of availability of Clays. But, now that I've tried Clay Dot I think I'll just keep using it even when Clays becomes available once again.
     
  3. Oregunner

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    I use Clay Dot and Remington hulls. On Alliant's website there are lots of 1200 fps recipes for 1 oz, and a 1 1/8 oz recipe for Remington hulls. They don't list a 1200 fps load for 1 1/8 oz in Winchester hulls. Is that what your issue is? Green Dot is a better powder for Handicap loads. Mark
     
  4. lboh

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    1 1/8 load with Rem Hulls, Win209 & Fig 8's. They only list a 1145 with these components unlike Hodgdon

    I see a 1200fps with a 1 1/8 but I would have to change primers and wads.
     
  5. C-Money

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    On the first jugs of Clay dot, they had 1200fps 1 1/8 loads stuck right to the jug. i will look see if I have a jug and write down the loads.
     
  6. Unknown1

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    You missed the key phrase "designed to duplicate". That's a lot different than "guaranteed to duplicate". Claydot and Clays are very different in their formulations. What Alliant did was formulate a powder that would do the same thing that Promo does with Red Dot...give approximately the same pressure and speed with roughly the same drop weight. That means that they have found that you can interchange them without having to worry about dramatic changes in shot speed or chamber pressure.

    You have to be very careful loading 1200 fps 1 1/8 oz loads with Claydot. The pressure climbs very fast to excessive levels when you get to that speed with that load. CD was designed more with 1 oz loads in mind than 1 1/8 oz

    BTW...

    Alliant lists only 1 load formula for Remington hulls for that weight and speed: 18.8 grn, a Rem primer and a WAA12 wad.

    There are NO formulas listed for AA hulls.

    There are 2 or 3 listed for Federal GM hulls, which makes sense because the greater internal capacity of the Federal hull keeps the pressure from rising as high.

    Keller
     
  7. lboh

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    Thanks guys.

    I will stick with Clays as I like my 1200 fps load and either give/sell the keg of Clay Dot to someone at the club or load it as a light load for first shot of doubles

    The only issue I have is with the wording they use making it appear to be a "duplicate" of clays.
     
  8. tanda1

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    Maybe you can load Clay Dot to those levels.....but why?

    At 11,000 and 11,300 psi for your "preferred" Clays loading I sure would be looking at a different powder for that velocity and combination of components.
     
  9. wolfram

    wolfram Well-Known Member

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    Why the mandate for 1200 FpS? Clays isn't really the best choice for that velocity range either. Both Clays and Clay Dot do make very good 1150 FpS loads with 1 1/8 oZ paylods and this is where these powders really excell.

    Really want 3 (+) dram loads? Go with Green Dot.
     
  10. missemucho

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    I must agree with the above posters: Claydot is a great substitute for Clays, but I wouldn't use either one in a 1200 fps 1 1/8 oz load. A lot lower pressure and less recoil with the Green Dot for that load and speed. Been there and tried that--have the sore shoulder to prove it!
    John
     
  11. WNCRob

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    Guys, Look at e3...less peaky than Clays & clones...just as fast and clean.

    WNCRob
     
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