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After Zimmerman, questions re ‘stand your ground'

Discussion in 'Politics, Elections & Legislation' started by mrskeet410, Apr 14, 2012.

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  1. mrskeet410

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    Y! Big Story: After Zimmerman arrest, questions about ‘stand your ground’

    "The fatal encounter between a 17-year-old black teenager and a mixed-race neighborhood watch volunteer has created a furor over "stand your ground" laws, which have been enacted in more than 20 states; legislation is pending in others. That Florida, the epicenter of the Trayvon Martin-George Zimmerman case, was the first to pass the law in 2005 adds to the debate. But for George Zimmerman, this defense might not even apply, according to some legal experts.

    Regardless, the case has led to legislators second-guessing the law—including the men who sponsored and signed the Florida bill, and major businesses are backpedaling from a lobby group that has helped promote the defense.

    Murder vs. manslaughter: Zimmerman was charged with second-degree murder, "an act imminently dangerous to another, and evincing a depraved mind regardless of human life." The case goes before a judge in an evidentiary hearing, in which the judge, not a jury, has the power to dismiss the case...

    ...Is "stand your ground" actually relevant to George Zimmerman? In terms of legal defense, maybe not. "Stand your ground" is an expansion on the so-called Castle Doctrine, the right to defend one's homestead. Instead of defending yourself on your own personal property, though, "stand your ground" lets you carry that immunity into public property, which can include places of business, like a bar. Now that the case has moved onto legal turf, the arguments will become accordingly technical: Is this immunity even relevant, or would simple self-defense kick in?..."

    http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/trending-now/y-big-story-zimmerman-arrest-questions-stand-ground-043707411.html
     
  2. mrskeet410

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    Worth repeating -

    "The case goes before a judge in an evidentiary hearing, in which the judge, not a jury, has the power to dismiss the case..."
     
  3. Brian in Oregon

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    The anti-gunners and their liberal gun owning stooges (like some right here) do not believe citizens should protect themselves with a firearm and will use any excuse to ban concealed carry or weaken it.
     
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    "...Who makes the decision? Rather than ask how relevant "stand your ground" is in the Martin-Zimmerman case, the real question may be who makes the decisions in the first place. The Sanford city manager claimed that the law "prohibited" police from making an arrest. Should police make the arrest and leave it to the district attorney to bring charges, as would happen in self-defense cases? Should such cases appear before a judge? Does a jury make the call? These are some of the core questions that will be revisited in the coming months, if not years."
     
  5. R.Kipling

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    Tried, convicted and hung in the court of public mis-opinion. Charlatan hucksters are rejoicing. A truly sad day for us pioneers.
    Kip
     
  6. Brian in Oregon

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    Utter nonsense. The police can still make an arrest if they do not believe the person was a victim acting in self-defense. And the police report can still be sent to the district attorney. Nothing prohibits that.

    What the anti's want is to eliminate the non-arrest without good cause clause because in Florida the law bans a civil suit without an arrest. The anti's want automatic arrests so that civil suits against a crime victim protecting himself or herself can be brought.
     
  7. likes-to-shoot

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    The anti-gunners are congregating as we speak.

    The last two paragraphs say it all!!
     
  8. wireguy

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    As understand it, stand your ground doesn't even apply to this case. Neither party was backed into a corner, Zimmerman was allegedly attacked and he defended himself. The question I want answered is did he have a chip on his shoulder and was he looking for a fight.
     
  9. John Galt

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    Since Mrs. Keet is an anti-gun racist, I can't imagine why anybody would encourage her to continue spewing her drivel, JMHO.
     
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    wireguy, is right....gun owners should seek the truth and then take a stand....not scream all this anti crap. If it turns out Zimmerman is wrong, the gun community will end up looking like a bunch of crazies. The more we scream anti....the more we stand to lose. Americans are not content anymore, unless they have a bonfire out of control somewhere.

    If fatal force is necessary, you need to be in a battle for your life....not acting on a hunch or your inability to deal with your fears.

    If you feel giving up your way of life is more valuable than a bump on the head....you deserve what ever you get.
     
  11. Brian in Oregon

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    A bump on the head?

    Zimmerman was bleeding from his face and the back of his head according to the police report.
     
  12. Johnny

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    BinO, How do we know it wasn't self inflicted?
     
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    Maybe he tripped and fell, maybe he ran into a tree, or bush......WE DO NOT KNOW.

    AND gettin all racist and anti name calling, is not in our best interest.
     
  14. mrskeet410

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    This isn't a pro-gun/anti-gun issue. It has nothing to do with gun control. I hope the NRA is smart enough to stat away from this case.
     
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    Self-inflicted? I would think he would have been caught doing that by the eye witness.

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    Tripped and fell? It's possible that could have happened while he was going back to his vehicle, retreating from Martin. But it then speaks worse of Martin for jumping on top of a downed man.

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    Not a pro-gun or anti-gun issue? It shouldn't be, but it is being used as such to attack concealed carry laws.
     
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    Oops,,,,,bet they forgot about this......
     
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    My dear MrsKeet,

    "This isn't a pro-gun/anti-gun issue. It has nothing to do with gun control. I hope the NRA is smart enough to stat away from this case."

    Apparently you didn't read the website I posted. The last two paragraphs were about the anti-gunners GETTING INVOLVED in this case and you don't want the NRA to get involved?

    What the hell is the matter with you??? Now is the time to state your stand on gun rights!!!! Lets see what you are made of!!!
     
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    Just think about the condition Mr Zimmerman would likely be in had he not defended himself. I would think possibly dead or with some brain damage at least. Would this be justified???
    By the way, don't think for a moment that this particular prosecuter wasn't picked in order to get a particular result. Most here in FL would not have moved forward with this case.
     
  19. halfmile

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    Queet,you troll, when are you going to come up with an original thought instead of the cut and paste drivel?Go ahead, grab your keyboard and strap on some manhood.

    You can start with the name of the all white gun club.


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  20. Jerbear

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    The media has already tried this case. They are just trying to minimize the damage from the riots to come. My guess is, he walks... Then come the riots. Just like the Obama clan wants.


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