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  1. tj303

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    From CNN.com
    ACORN (Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now)"More than 2,000 voter registration forms filed in northern Indiana's Lake County by a liberal activist group this week have turned out to be bogus, election officials said Thursday."
    "A subsidiary of the group was paid $800,000 by Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama's campaign to register voters for the 2008 primaries, and ACORN's political wing endorsed Obama back in February."
     
  2. perazzitms

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    CNN is trying to limit the damage to Obama with the whole ACORN thing - it's WAY more than 2000.
     
  3. JOND

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    ACORN's "community organizers" get paid for each name they register. NOTICE-I said for each NAME,not each PERSON! JOND
     
  4. halfmile

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    I heard they were registering sports figures. Popeye and Bugs Bunny next.

    "Evil will triumph when good men do nothing".

    HM
     
  5. Yosemite Sam

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    Found at <a href=http://www.click2houston.com/investigates/17671375/detail.html>Local 2 News</a>


    Local 2 Investigates Dead Voters

    HOUSTON -- Note: The following story is a verbatim transcript of an Investigators story that aired on Thursday, Oct. 8, 2008, on KPRC Local 2 at 10 p.m.

    Local 2 investigates dead voters.

    The push to register voters for this year's presidential election is breaking records.

    More than 1.9 million people are registered to vote in Harris County alone.

    But how many of the people listed on the voter roll are actually eligible to cast a ballot?

    Investigative reporter Amy Davis shows you how hundreds of voters could sway this year's election -- voters who are not even alive.

    "All-in-all, a great person, a great woman, just a wonderful person" is how Alexis Guidry described her mother to Local 2 Investigates.

    "As far back as I can remember, they've always voted in the election," Guidry said of her parents.

    The March 2008 Primary was no exception. Voting records show Alexis' mom, Gloria Guidry, cast her ballot in person near her South Houston home.

    "It was just very shocking, a little unsettling," said Alexis Guidry.

    It's unsettling because Gloria Guidry died of cancer 10 months before the March Primary.

    "She'd be very upset," Guidry said when asked what her mom would think.

    Trent Seibert, of Texas Watchdog, says you should be too.

    "This is really disquieting. It's concerning. It's worrisome," said Seibert.

    He heads up the non-partisan news group on the web.

    Texas Watchdog compared Harris County's voter registration roll with the Social Security death index and found more than 4,000 matches -- registered voters that, it appears, are already dead.

    Some of them, like Henderson Hill's late wife Linda, voted postmortem.

    "I would like to know who did it, myself," Hill told Davis.

    We don't know who used Linda Hill's or Gloria Guidry's IDs to vote, but we do know if their names had been purged from voter rolls after they died, using their IDs wouldn't have worked.

    "This is a red flag. No matter where you are, this should set off alarm bells," Seibert said. "Someone needs to take a look at this."

    Local 2 Investigates took the information to the Harris County Voter Registrar.

    "We just kind of work with the systems that we're allowed to," explained George Hammerlein, the director of Harris County Voter Registration.

    The county's system for culling deceased voters from the roll seems painfully primitive.

    We watched employees clip obituaries from the newspaper and sort through probate records for names matching those on the roll. But, Hammerlein says while fraud is a concern, for his office, disenfranchising voters is a bigger one.

    "We do all we can, but you know we'd rather err on the side of leaving people on the roll instead of taking them off inadvertently," he said.

    But could that cautious "better safe than sorry" standard sway an election some say will be a close one?

    Texas Watchdog found 4,462 registered voters who appear to be deceased.

    In 2000, George Bush won the presidential election by a mere 537 votes in Florida.

    "We've never had any evidence there's a concerted attempt at fraud," Hammerlein told Local 2.

    But there is evidence the state agency in charge of ensuring only eligible voters can vote is not.

    The State Auditor's Office conducted an audit of the voter registration system at the Secretary of State's Office last November.

    Auditors identified 49,049 registered voters state-wide who may have been ineligible to vote. Approximately 23,576 may have been deceased and another 23,114 were possible felons. And they found more than 2,359 duplicate records.

    The auditor did not find any instances in which potentially ineligible voters actually voted, but they wrote, "Although the Secretary of State's office has processes to identify many ineligible voters and remove them from the State's voter registration list, improvements can be made."

    Almost a year after this audit, we wanted to know if the Secretary of State has made any improvements. Have they added any safeguards to the process?

    No one from that office would talk to us on camera, but the Director of Elections told us, "We'd rather err in leaving someone on the roll than taking someone off."

    "If there's something wrong here, if there's something amiss, this is the worst election to have that happen, "Seibert warned.

    And Guidry agrees.

    "I don't think it's a matter that she would take lightly," she said of her mom.

    In what she calls an historic election, Guidry says her mother wouldn't want anyone speaking for her.

    "I think she would definitely do all that she could just to make sure things were on the up and up."

    We sent the information we showed you to the Director of Elections in Austin. She said her office refers any credible allegation of election fraud to the Attorney General for investigation.

    She said the cases we presented would be felony violations.

    Visit www.texaswatchdog.org for more information about how Texas Watchdog found dead voters on the rolls
     
  6. JBrooks

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    And they all voted for a Democrat.
     
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    "In his capacity as an attorney, Barack represented ACORN in a successful lawsuit alongside the U.S. Department of Justice against the state of Illinois to force state compliance with a federal voting access law. For his work helping enforce the law, called “Motor Voter,” Barack received the IVI-IPO Legal Eagle Award in 1995."
     
  8. JBrooks

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    From the Cleveland Leader



    "While Barack Obama's connection with the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (ACORN) has not gone entirely unreported, it has not been fully explained. Most media background pieces simply note Obama's involvement in a 1995 lawsuit on behalf of ACORN. Obama's own website, as well as most major media, fail to reveal the full depth and extent of his relationship with the organization.

    Attempts to hide evidence of Obama's involvement with ACORN have included wiping the web clean of potentially damaging articles that had appeared, and were previously publicly accessible. Unfortunately, those behind the attempted cover-up failed to realize that in today's day and age, nothing disappears forever. There also exists another layer of the web, the hidden web, which is full of information included in proprietary scholarly databases where these very same "missing" articles can be easily uncovered.

    Obama's campaign website states:

    Fact: Barack was never an ACORN trainer and never worked for ACORN in any other capacity.

    Is that really a FACT, or just another lie? Let's take a look at a quote from a 2004 article - Case Study: Chicago- The Barack Obama Campaign - written by Toni Foulkes, a Chicago ACORN Leader, which was published in the journal Social Policy. Did we mention that Social Policy recently pulled this particular article from their website, while leaving links to all other articles up?

    "Obama took the case, known as ACORN vs. Edgar (the name of the Republican governor at the time) and we won. Obama then went on to run a voter registration project with Project VOTE in 1992 that made it possible for Carol Moseley Braun to win the Senate that year. Project VOTE delivered 50,000 newly registered voters in that campaign (ACORN delivered about 5,000 of them).

    Since then, we have invited Obama to our leadership training sessions to run the session on power every year, and, as a result, many of our newly developing leaders got to know him before he ever ran for office. Thus it was natural for many of us to be active volunteers in his first campaign for STate Senate and then his failed bid for U.S. Congress in 1996. By the time he ran for U.S. Senate, we were old friends."

    Not only does Foulkes boast of Obama's ACORN leadership training, but also makes it clear that Obama's post-law school organizing of "Project VOTE" in 1992 was undertaken in direct partnership with ACORN. The tie between Project VOTE and ACORN is also something that Obama and others have attempted to disprove in recent weeks as ACORN has come under fire for allegations of voter registration fraud.

    As recently as March 2008, the Los Angeles Times also made reference to Barack Obama's involvement with ACORN:

    "At the time, Talbot worked at the social action group ACORN and initially considered Obama a competitor. But she became so impressed with his work that she invited him to help train her staff." (LA Times, March 2, 2008)

    All this information was easily pulled up with minimal time investment. It took less than thirty minutes to find, despite attempts by some to bury the truth. If I could find this with little effort, imagine what could be dug up with a serious, in-depth investigation. Scary, isn't it?

    Nevertheless, Barack Obama's campaign website continues to lie and deny the truth about his involvement and association with ACORN. No matter how many times you say it, it does not make it true. The facts do not lie, Senator Obama. It's time to come clean and tell the truth, and it's time for the American people to demand it."
     
  9. recurvyarcher

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    I just took a look at Obama's website, and then looked at McCain's. It is my opinion that McCain is missing the boat when it comes to reaching our younger voters. He needs to do something about it.

    Also, Obama has a whole page dedicated to counteracting negative press. His campaign is working VERY HARD to MONITOR EVERYTHING out there, including our beloved website.
     
  10. Yosemite Sam

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    Heres more

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  11. recurvyarcher

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    Acorn should be shut down completely.
     
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    Every state should come out and say that ANYONE that registered thru this group needs to re register in PERSON. In the age of computers, how hard can it be to get the voters registered in ONE and only ONE state and county. UGH. I am so MAD.

    this election is being stolen from the good people of this country. What can WE do??
     
  13. JBrooks

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    The Chicago ACORN Received Grants Of $45,000 (2000), $30,000 (2001), $45,000 (2001), $30,000 (2002), And $40,000 (2002) From The Woods Fund. (Donors Forum Website, ifs.donorsforum.org, Accessed 6/10/08)

    NOTE: From 1993 To 2002, Barack Obama Served On The Board Of Directors For The Woods Fund. (Tim Novak and Fran Spielman, “Obama Helped Ex-Boss Get $1 Mil. From Charity,” Chicago Sun-Times, 11/29/07)

    Obama’s Campaign Paid Over $800,000 To ACORN Subsidiary, CSI, For Get-Out-The-Vote Efforts, But “Mistakenly Misrepresented” Their Work To The FEC:

    Obama’s Campaign “Paid More Than $800,000” To ACORN For Get-Out-The Vote Efforts; The Campaign Originally “Misrepresented” The Group’s Work To The FEC. “U.S. Sen. Barack Obama's presidential campaign paid more than $800,000 to an offshoot of the liberal Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now for services the Democrat's campaign says it mistakenly misrepresented in federal reports. An Obama spokesman said Federal Election Commission reports would be amended to show Citizens Services Inc. -- a subsidiary of ACORN -- worked in ‘get-out-the-vote’ projects, instead of activities such as polling, advance work and staging major events as stated in FEC finance reports filed during the primary.” (David M. Brown, “Obama To Amend Report On $800,000 In Spending,” Pittsburgh Tribune Review, 8/22/08)
     
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    Obama Formerly Represented ACORN, Taught Classes For Future Leaders Of ACORN, And They Endorsed His 2008 Presidential Campaign:

    Obama Directed Project Vote And Later Taught Classes For “Future Leaders Identified By ACORN And The Centers For New Horizons.” “He [Obama] says he is drawn to politics, despite its superficialities, as a means to advance his real passion and calling: community organization. … In 1992 Obama took time off to direct Project Vote, the most successful grass-roots voter-registration campaign in recent city history. Credited with helping elect Carol Moseley-Braun to the U.S. Senate, the registration drive, aimed primarily at African-Americans, added an estimated 125,000 voters to the voter rolls--even more than were registered during Harold Washington's mayoral campaigns. ‘It's a power thing,’ said the brochures and radio commercials. … Obama continues his organizing work largely through classes for future leaders identified by ACORN and the Centers for New Horizons on the south side.” (Hank De Zutter, Op-Ed, “What Makes Obama Run?” Chicago Reader, 12/8/95
     
  15. JBrooks

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    A Vote for Obama is a vote for a CROOK.
     
  16. recurvyarcher

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    Looks like democrats design their candidates from youth on forward. Republicans need to do the same thing in order to counter this type of effort.
     
  17. JBrooks

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    Devi,

    The difficulty is that most young people who have a conservative mindset recognize that the "Government" is the problem and want no part of it.
     
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    I hope you all are as passionate when you talk to your friends, colleagues, etc. I also hope you have written at least one check to a group that wants to get the truth out there
     
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    scared of a little ACORN nut! too funny....How many real voters have been stricken from the rolls by the far right wingnuts? TENS OF THOUSANDS! Kathy Harris circa Y2K in FL comes to mind. ITS HOW WE ALL GOT IN THIS FRIGGIN MESS TO START WITH.

    Many other antics are alleged and some documented on both sides, so grow up.
    It's part of our Democratic Republic. Always has been. Always will be until we get true auditable voting trails and the mandatory "option" (I know its a contradiction) of "NONE OF THE ABOVE" to prevent undercounts. All voting choices must be filled in: A, B or none.

    Now, if y'all cant stand the political heat that comes with the territory of dealing with an EXPERIENCED CHICAGO politco elitist, move on. PUN INTENDED!

    And I CANT STAND DEAN. Or PELOSI. Or LOTS of DEMS and MOST REPUBS.

    dammit, I will shoot in the morning instead of doing real chores.
     
  20. AJ100

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    BINGO!!!!!!!!!!!!

    "the far right wingnuts? TENS OF THOUSANDS! Kathy Harris circa Y2K in FL comes to mind. ITS HOW WE ALL GOT IN THIS FRIGGIN MESS TO START WITH"

    There ya go folks. I've been saying it all along. Read the sentence in CAPS.

    gore lost, and "ITS HOW WE ALL GOT IN THIS FRIGGIN MESS TO START WITH"

    They are so pissed, they HATE george Bush so much, they can't stand the thought of another Republican in the White House.

    Bottom Line? They will SAY anything, DO anything, PRINT anything to try and get obama in. Break the law now, deal with it later. What is anyone going to do? Remove a president after he is sworn it? Don't think so, and they know it. The end justifies the means. The liberal mantra.

    It was on the news this morning here in PGH. PA. Allegheny county officials are looking into alleged voter registration fraud by,,,,,, ACORN.

    AJ100
     
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