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A simple question on rules-

Discussion in 'Shooting Related Threads' started by cottondoctor, Jul 6, 2009.

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  1. cottondoctor

    cottondoctor Member

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    The rule book is relatively clear that if a shooter shoots at a legal target in the air and it is an odd sounding shell, but the shot and wad clear the barrel, it is scored. If there is a legal target in the air and the shell ignites (or not – but has a firing pin ding on the primer) and the wad/shot does not clear the barrel it is a Failure to fire #1 and he/she is allowed 2 per sub event…

    What if, upon calling for target the shooter gets a legal target in the air and the shooter has their safety on and fails to fire because of the safety – no firing pin mark on the primer- so is not a gun malfunction nor an ammo malfunction - but is a shooter error. Is that considered a Failure to Fire #1 or a Lost Target?
     
  2. MTA Tom

    MTA Tom Active Member

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    Failure to fire.

    ATA Rulebook, Section VII, D., 1 FAILURE TO FIRE

    "The following procedure shall be followed in all tournaments:
    1. A contestant shall be allowed two (2) failures to fire in Singles and
    Handicap events, for any reason other than stated in Paragraph C.,2.
    above, during each sub-event regardless of the length of the sub-event."

    The exception in C.,2 is when "the contestant voluntarily does not fire".
     
  3. Neil Winston

    Neil Winston Well-Known Member

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    Case 1 is a failure to fire ( VII,C,7).

    Case 2 is the same. The presence or absence of a "firing-pin mark" does not enter into the determination.
    (VII, D, 1)

    Neil
     
  4. V10

    V10 Well-Known Member

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    Here's VIII,D,1:

    "D. FAILURE TO FIRE
    The following procedure shall be followed in all tournaments:

    1. A contestant shall be allowed two (2) failures to fire in Singles and
    Handicap events, for any reason other than stated in Paragraph C.,2.
    above, ..."

    VII,C,2:

    "C. LOST TARGET
    The referee/scorer shall rule, “LOST”: ...

    2. When a whole target appears promptly after a contestant’s
    recognizable command and is within the legal limits of flight and the
    contestant voluntarily does not fire; ..."
     
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